Influence and its causes - an overdue aside.

2000-11-12 Thread Hinrich Kuhls
A week ago [6.11.2000] Louis Proyect wrote: Not only do Hobsbawm, Hill and Thompson fail to live up to the example of T.A. Jackson, they seem to have forgotten the lessons imparted by A.L. Morton, the Dean of British Communist historians, who gave the proper emphasis to Ireland. In the

Rebels with a Cause: a documentary about SDS

2000-11-12 Thread Louis Proyect
In many ways SDS was the organizational expression of the 1960s radicalization, just as the Communist Party was of the 1930s. Given that fact, it was only a matter of time when a documentary film maker would take a stab at SDS using the example of a film like "Seeing Red", which was based on the

400,000 Palm Beach votes for hand count

2000-11-12 Thread Chris Burford
I appreciate Nathan Newman's authoritative contributions and him posting them here. They combine a sure-footed strategic perspective with a strong grasp of the concrete detail of the case. They combine theory with practice. By what is obviously effective cooperative working with a group of

Palm Beach votes for hand count

2000-11-12 Thread Chris Burford
I realise from being able to read a CNN report that it is indeed the rejected votes that are scrutinised. However my question (as amended below) is still relevant for the issue of money, and still more time. I see "Bob Crawford, who replaced Gov. Jeb Bush as commissioner of Florida's

Re: 400,000 Palm Beach votes for hand count

2000-11-12 Thread Nathan Newman
Chris, I am running to a wedding in New Hamphire today, so will have to be quick. The point of the Palm Beach decision is that what a "fair count" equals is of course a political decision as long as we use technologies that are known to be systematically inaccurate and systematically and

Re: Re: PEN-L digest 814

2000-11-12 Thread Brad DeLong
So you agree that for you politics is a means of self-expression, rather than an attempt to make the world a better place? Brad DeLong Or that acceptance of the inevitibility of the 'iron cage' guarantees it, whereas fighting might defeat it. Brad, I can understand your anger. I feel it

Re: 400,000 Palm Beach votes for hand count

2000-11-12 Thread Tom Walker
Nathan Newman wrote, It's an odd contradiction, but we need to see why voting rights challenges are THE FUNDAMENTAL FIGHT in eletoral politics, far more important than any third party diversions, because expanded franchise is a pure expansion of worker power. First of all I want to acknowledge

Visual Realism, versus U.S. Modernism

2000-11-12 Thread Doyle Saylor
Greetings Economist, Realism in pictures prompted a revolt in thinking very early in the last century. Picasso started the tilt away from realism in painting, and a second contemporary of his, Duchamp, added in a "conceptual" element. By mid century after WWII Modernism (which embodied the

Re: PEN-L digest 814

2000-11-12 Thread Tom Walker
Brad DeLong wrote Which has nothing to do with whether Nader's intervention in this election helped make the world a better place. If someone's bleeding arterially, you get a tourniquet: you don't cut their throat. Brad, Focus, Brad! It is now November 12 and there is a very different and

Re: Re: Re: Re: Leftist (but non-Marxist) economists wanted in Europe

2000-11-12 Thread Joel Blau
Max: The wealth tax is a real difference. Enacting the Ackerman/Alstott scheme might better than anything else now on the horizon. But stake or no stake, I am still wary of the notion of each individual poor person as atomized consumer/investor. It may be an accurate reflection of our social

CounterCoup

2000-11-12 Thread Tom Walker
Have a look at this one and CIRCULATE WIDELY: http://www.geocities.com/countercoup Tom Walker Sandwichman and Deconsultant Bowen Island, BC

Re: Re: meme

2000-11-12 Thread kelley
At 10:03 AM 11/11/00 -0800, you wrote: At 12:42 PM 11/11/2000 -0500, you wrote: i would like to understand the meme meme! As I understand it, meme is to society culture as a gene is to an animal's body. The society and its culture (including technology, I presume) is seen as simply the sum of

Headlines I'd Like to See

2000-11-12 Thread Max Sawicky
Flesh-Eating Virus Consumes Texas Governor's Face Hillary Overheard: "I'm the Queen of Hymietown!" Arrest Yale Law Student with Sack of Absentee Ballots Socialist Workers Party Assumes Power in Florida County Noriega Released from Prison, Installed as Florida Governor Nader to Gore:

Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Leftist (but non-Marxist) economists wanted in Europe

2000-11-12 Thread Max Sawicky
I agree that's well taken. But insofar as a great part of our consumption is individually financed, and ever more will be so, redistributing wealth in the form of cash will be an enduring and compelling option in the pursuit of equality. mbs The wealth tax is a real difference. Enacting the

Re: Re: CounterCoup

2000-11-12 Thread kelley
At 01:02 PM 11/12/00 -0500, Max Sawicky wrote: Have a look at this one and CIRCULATE WIDELY: http://www.geocities.com/countercoup Tom Walker Pretty remarkable, the extent of activity. I've waxed on this on LBO, so if anyone is interested they can check the archives. I'll just summarize

Re: CounterCoup

2000-11-12 Thread Tom Walker
Max Sawicky wrote, I think this is the right protest at the wrong time, and timing is everything in politics. It is clearly predicated on Gore's margin of defeat, not on any abiding concern with democracy. I agree about the wrong timing but also about the remarkable extent of activity. With

Re: Re: Re: PEN-L digest 814

2000-11-12 Thread Jim Devine
At 08:39 AM 11/12/2000 -0800, you wrote: Which has nothing to do with whether Nader's intervention in this election helped make the world a better place. If someone's bleeding arterially, you get a tourniquet: you don't cut their throat. the DLC answer: you have to take responsibility for your

Re: Heisenberg's election

2000-11-12 Thread Chris Burford
Interesting and not trivial free association about what is going on. The butterfly effect of the butterfly ballot. The adversarial two- (or more) party system is meant to be evenly balanced and meant to give each candidate the opportunity to thwart their opponents. For a variety of reasons,

(Fwd) Mike's Message - serious political humour

2000-11-12 Thread phillp2
--- Forwarded message follows --- Subject:(Fwd) Mike's Message - serious political humour Priority: normal November 11, 2000 To: Secretary General of the United Nations, Kofi Annan From: Michael Moore, citizen Dear Mr. Secretary General: Help

(Fwd) Moore on Gore

2000-11-12 Thread phillp2
--- Forwarded message follows --- Date sent: Sun, 12 Nov 2000 13:49:23 -0600 Subject:(Fwd) Moore on Gore Priority: normal Michael Moore Writes to Al Gore October 31, 2000 Dear Vice-President Gore: Hi! How are you! It's been awhile since

Re: CounterCoup

2000-11-12 Thread Timework Web
Said Walker: it is inevitable that popular protest express itself in inarticulate and perhaps inappropriate slogans. Replied Sawicky: ok. And inappropriate personalities, like Jerry Brown, for instance. Exactly. so both sides are full of it. so what? So the "sidedness" requires that

Re: Influence and its causes - an overdue aside.

2000-11-12 Thread Chris Burford
Thank you. It is hard to evaluate the argument that to which you responded with the passage from Hobsbawm, that some of the English marxist historians did not give the proper emphasis to Ireland. As far as the criticism of Hill is concerned I cannot see how it fits. Although not centrally

Re: Re: Influence and its causes - an overdue aside.

2000-11-12 Thread Louis Proyect
Chris Burford: I do not see that one would expect him to put the thesis and be able to martial the facts that Proyect and Philip Ferguson expect. But clearly it is not the case that the argument I was postulating was not opposed to the thesis that despite the existence of fen-clearing in the

Re: Query re taxation in the USSR

2000-11-12 Thread Justin Schwartz
There was income tax, mainly. It was low. I think there was a VAT. Look uit up in David Lane's Economy and Society in the USSR. some title like that. Lane published a series of books over 20 some years with words like tha in the title that are worthy, useful, dull, and reliable. --jks Does

Re: Re: Re: Re: PEN-L digest 814

2000-11-12 Thread Justin Schwartz
Which has nothing to do with whether Nader's intervention in this election helped make the world a better place. If someone's bleeding arterially, you get a tourniquet: you don't cut their throat. Sorta depends on your attitude towards them, no? If Gore was on fire, I wouldn't pee on him to

Re: Re: PEN-L digest 814

2000-11-12 Thread Brad DeLong
Brad DeLong wrote Which has nothing to do with whether Nader's intervention in this election helped make the world a better place. If someone's bleeding arterially, you get a tourniquet: you don't cut their throat. Brad, Focus, Brad! It is now November 12 and there is a very different and more

Re: Re: Query re taxation in the USSR

2000-11-12 Thread Jim Devine
At 02:20 AM 11/13/2000 +, you wrote: There was income tax, mainly. It was low. I think there was a VAT. Look uit up in David Lane's Economy and Society in the USSR. some title like that. Lane published a series of books over 20 some years with words like tha in the title that are worthy,

Re: Re: Re: Influence and its causes - an overdue aside.

2000-11-12 Thread Chris Burford
At 20:30 12/11/00 -0500, Proyect wrote: Chris Burford: I do not see that one would expect him to put the thesis and be able to martial the facts that Proyect and Philip Ferguson expect. But clearly it is not the case that the argument I was postulating was not opposed to the thesis that