Date: Sat, 18 Nov 2000 01:57:17 -0500
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Chris Niles posted:
I basically agree with you on this point. That said, i don't think
Doug missed the point, only that his point needs to be significantly
qualified. i think it is true that in a very nasty, very competitive
society, white men are indeed unwilling to give up gender and "race"
At 07:56 PM 11/17/2000 -0600, you wrote:
A number of things bother me about this whole debate. Does Jim
really believe that there is an infinite limit to how we oppress
labour and that, even if there were, that that would not promote a
realization crisis.?
no.
... If the answer to either is
Time to watch Jean Vigo's _Zéro de conduite [Zero for Conduct]_
(1933) again Yoshie
* Metro Snack Patrol Puts Girl in Cuffs
Ansche Hedgepeth had practically never been in trouble, let alone
arrested. Then the officer clicked the metal cuffs on the
12-year-old's wrists and pulled
Ian wrote:
The issue of time takes on a different form of nefariousness that touches
on both Yoshie's and Jim's ideas. The critical issue in innovation is
time to market and how long one can hold the lead [via property rights
etc.] before competitors catch up. As the pace of innovation
Anthony,
I believe one of the biggest shortagers is of Tylenol (or its generic
alternative.) We are also going to Cuba shortly, strictly for a
holiday, but are taking soap, childrens paper, crayons, pencils and
such as well as medications.
Paul Phillips,
Economics,
University of Manitoba
Bill,
I thought you now had a reformed Labour government that
eschewed this neo-liberal nonsense.
Paul Phillips,
Economics,
University of Manitoba
Date sent: Sat, 18 Nov 2000 18:10:37 +1300
From: Bill Rosenberg [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject:
Obviously Gar Lives in the USA.
If he lived in Canada (a cold climate), he would realize that this is
nonsense.
Paul Phillips,
Economics,
University of Manitoba
Date sent: Fri, 17 Nov 2000 22:23:29 -0800
From: Gar Lipow [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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Let's start with my initial assertion: capitalism is very adaptable,
able to survive hard times. This does not mean that capitalism
doesn't drive itself into disgusting crises every few decades. It
does. In fact, I see a serious realization crisis in the near future
of U.S. -- and likely,
Obviously Gar Lives in the USA.
If he lived in Canada (a cold climate), he would realize that this is
nonsense.
Paul Phillips
Actually, one of the problems caused by capitalism may be thought of
as the mind-boggling spread and growth of cities in inhospitable
climates (e.g., coldest regions
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Obviously Gar Lives in the USA.
I implied it pretty clealy.
If he lived in Canada (a cold climate), he would realize that this is
nonsense.
Every bit of it? Super-insulation will not save energy in Canadian
houses? Waste heat from electricity generation cannot
Jim Devine wrote:
It's not over 'til
it's over, when there's a sufficient social force to replace capitalism.
"If you don't hit it, it won't fall." Mao.
Carrol
I don't see why much of what Gar says does not apply to cold climates.
Insulation does cut down on fuel costs. Saskatchewan has some good areas for
wind power generation. Alberta already has some wind power generation albeit
small. Gar doess not mention hydro power which is important in parts of
Gar Lipow wrote:
Every bit of it? Super-insulation will not save energy in Canadian
houses? Waste heat from electricity generation cannot heat Canadian
buildings and water? Longer lasting goods would not save the energy need
for more frequent manufacture in Canada? More efficent autos
Ken says:
Well actually the development of northern regions and building large cities
in the north was a characteristic of the USSR rather than capitalism. Much
of the US even excluding Alaska is further north than the southern and most
populated parts of Canada.
THe largest part of our
Ken and Gar,
Yes, you can further insulate your houses. I have my roof double
insulated, double windows etc. etc. But this raises other
problems. Sick buildings. Super insulated houses are death to
asthmatics (like me) or anyone suffering from alergies. If it is super
insulated you can
Date sent: Sat, 18 Nov 2000 13:27:45 -0500
Yoshie,
I might be happy to consider it. But first a few changes to make
living in the US possible.
Introduction of Medicare,
Gun control legislation
End to the Death Penalty
Establishment of a decent public school system
An adequate
Gar is certainly correct that many potentially energy-saving strategies
exist. However, implementation of these strategies also requires
considerable amounts of fossil fuel. In addition, implementation will
require a good deal of time.
For example, society could save enormous energy by
Carrol -- on these issues I'm doing what anyone not an expert has to do
-- choosing which experts to believe. Virtually all serious
environmentalists who look at this issue seem to agree. Barry Commoner
is who I learned this from back in the 70's. Amory Lovins is good on
the technical end today
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Michael -- there is not doubt that it will require time and resources to
implement such strategies. That is why enviromentalists campaigned to
start the transition to such technoligies back in 70's; if it had been
started then we would have been thirty years into the transistion. But
enough
we shouldn't forget that global warming makes it easier to avoid the cold,
even in the Great White North.
;-)
At 01:05 PM 11/18/2000 -0600, you wrote:
Ken and Gar,
Yes, you can further insulate your houses. I have my roof double
insulated, double windows etc. etc. But this raises other
At 10:53 AM 11/18/2000 -0500, you wrote:
And I might add that dire warnings of the global warming, etc. are not
likely to bring about the emergence of a collective of political agents
capable of abolishing capitalism; they tend to depoliticize
folks. Discussion of the environment has to be
It was interesting to read Katha Pollitt's "Don't Blame Ralph" column in
the recent issue of the US-based NATION magazine and Doug Henwood's LBO
postmortem on the (alas!) not-dead-yet election. As they point out, Gore
should be held responsible for his own (possible) loss. After all, 10% of
So there will be a crisis but this will not guarantee the collapse of
capitalism. In the great depression people could not afford cars or fuel to
run them. The result: Bennett buggies: hooking up cars to horses so they
were no longer horseless carriages.
There was no revolution. Surely leftists
Actually, Gore did drop most of his gun control rhetoric by the end of the
campaign. Remember, he actually attacked Bradley from the gun rights side
of the debate during the primary because Bradley wanted to register all
guns. Gore could have gone farther in repudiating the gun control folks,
Nathan has a point. Part of the problem was that Gore try to redefine
himself too many times, and ended up being unconvincing, except to a
relatively small number of people. If he had been half performer that
Clinton is, he could've pulled it off easily.
On Sat, Nov 18, 2000 at 07:05:47PM
If there is a crisis -- it won't be particularly good for socialism, or
even for liberalism. Depends on how far it goes of course; if it comes
in 20 years, with 12 billion people suddenly trying to survive as hunter
gatherers, then neither capitalism or socialism will be the issue.
The question
. . . I tend to be pretty skeptical of gun control as a solution to crime
in any
case, since economic factors are far more important. And it's a little
too
late to get all the guns off the streets in any case. So if progressive
Dems did want to play "Survivor" among the various Democratic
The Liberals here passed rather stringent gun control legislation and it is
extremely unpopular. The right-wing Alliance party garners a lot of farmer,
hunter, and working class votes by opposing the legislation. I really do not
think that gun control reduces crime or violence against women. I
Paul
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Bill,
I thought you now had a reformed Labour government that
eschewed this neo-liberal nonsense.
Did you? We do have a third-way Labour Party that doesn't eschew this
neo-liberal nonsense. It does to an extent domestically, but carries on
enthusastically
Jim D. writes:
At 10:53 AM 11/18/2000 -0500, you wrote:
And I might add that dire warnings of the global warming, etc. are
not likely to bring about the emergence of a collective of
political agents capable of abolishing capitalism; they tend to
depoliticize folks. Discussion of the
Hola Paul:
Yoshie,
I might be happy to consider it. But first a few changes to make
living in the US possible.
Introduction of Medicare,
Gun control legislation
End to the Death Penalty
Establishment of a decent public school system
An adequate unemployment insurance system
Old age pensions
. . . I tend to be pretty skeptical of gun control as a solution
to crime in any
case, since economic factors are far more important. And it's a little too
late to get all the guns off the streets in any case. So if progressive
Dems did want to play "Survivor" among the various
G'day Yoshie,
Hey, sin taxes hit the working class harder than the rich. So why
not chuck tobacco taxers out of the window, too?
Legalise all drugs, and then tax 'em all, I reckon. Once you get the coke,
ecstacy, and acid revenues in, you'd be distributing the tax load much more
fairly, I
Lou posted:
"There Was a Lad" is a deceptively modest film. Filmed in a radiant
black-and-white on location in the rural Russia of 1964, it tracks the
day-to-day existence of a young truck driver Pavel Kolokolnikov (Leonid
Kuravlev), whose only dream is to rise above his mundane existence. But
please excuse typos in previous post (good thing I didn't type what
appeared in the newspaper)... Michael Hoover
Judy Woodruff could hardly contain themselves. Voting in Florida,
the most important of several "battle-ground" states, were about to end.
was about to end
Competitive,
"There Was a Lad" is a deceptively modest film. Filmed in a radiant
black-and-white on location in the rural Russia of 1964, it tracks the
day-to-day existence of a young truck driver Pavel Kolokolnikov (Leonid
Kuravlev), whose only dream is to rise above his mundane existence. But it
is not
Below appears in November 16-22 *Orlando Weekly*. I thought it would appear
on website as well but it hasn't yet. I'd planned to send web address so
apologies for lengthy post. Published article is bit shorter than what I
submitted and I wasn't involved re. title.
fwiw: I found much
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