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From: "Yoshie Furuhashi" [EMAIL PROTECTED]
With regard to foreign affairs, though, the AFL-CIO has been quite
centralized. In fact, I don't think rank-and-file American unionists
have ever become aware of the work done by the inner circle.
There is some truth there
(posted to the Marxism list this morning by Jose Perez)
NEW YORK, Dec 1 (Reuters) - U.S. manufacturers are bearing the brunt of an
economic slowdown they say may be throwing the world's largest economy into
a lower gear too quickly and may soon require a jump-start from a cut in
interest rates.
Justin:
I'd like to see a quote here.
"in the place of old wants, satisfied by the products of the country, we
find
new wants, requiring for their staisfaction the products of distant lands
. .
. . " Manifest, in Tucker, p. 476
Justin, this is simply a description of the arrival of
Hi again, Yoshie,
However, a radical response that reality demands does not come from
attempts to construct a hierarchy of needs, to distinguish true from
false pleasures theoretically, to separate needs from desires, to
become morally free from desires, etc. Moreover, such attempts may
G'day again,
What do the Penpals think of Leszek Kolakowski's *Main Currents of Marxism*
trilogy. Only just got my mits on it, but it reads pretty silkily -
especially for a translation.
Cheers,
Robn.
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CB:
Just as another example, Lenin discussed work or not in reactionary trade
unions as a tactical issue, not principle.
True, but he never urged a vote for the British, German or French bourgeois
parties.
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CB: Did he say it was a matter of
From what I can see, and I haven't been
looking hard, the AFL doesn't do any 'foreign
affairs' work any more. The scuttlebutt was
that those guys were being pensioned off.
Budget cuts at both ends (the Feds and the
AFL). The part I do see around trade is something
everybody seems to want them
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CB: Did he say it was a matter of principle to never vote for bourgeois
parties or politicians ? He would consider what are the concrete
circumstances, such as there are no labor parties or politicians etc.
His differences with the Mensheviks largely revolved around the attitude
toward
From the December 1, 2000 Chronicle of Higher Education
Study Shows Colleges' Dependence on Their Part-Time Instructors ...
documents the low pay and lack of benefits for those off
the tenure track
By ANA MARIE COX
After relying for years on anecdotal evidence and outdated
statistics, the
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In his "Ultraleftism, an Infantile Disorder" the task was not to get
Communists to work with bourgeois parties like the Tories, but reformist
socialist or labor parties, such as the Labor Party in Great Britain or the
SP in Germany. He advocated a united
"Perhaps we lack the very people were afraid of, because they are foreign
to us and look foreign. Those whom, out of fear, we meet with hatred, which
now daily turns to violence. And perhaps those we most lack are the ones we
think of as the lowest of the low, the Romanies and the Sinti, the
CB: In our concrete circumstance , there are no reformist socialist or
labor parties, as in that situation.
This does not mean that we should support bourgeois parties now. If
anything, this is a reason to fight all the more harder for the existence
of such parties, starting with the Greens and
At 09:57 PM 12/01/2000 -0500, you wrote:
And Hoffa did not win because the government supported Hoffa Jr. - if
anything Carey had the support of a lot of the monitors in the Carey-Hoffa
matchup - but the progressive forces screwed up with their . So the TDU
forces lost because they lost
the
I wrote:
Further, if people attain what Aristotle called "true happiness" and Marx
might term "disalienation," we'd be _less_ needy. Those who create new
needs are working against human disalienation (or what they call "dat
alienation" in Chicago). We should have new _opportunities_ (new
Justin wrote:
Just for the record, Marx thought it was agood thing to create new
needs. In the Manifesto, the creation of new needs is something that is
credited to the plus side of capitalism.
I wrote:
I'd like to see a quote here.
Now Justin writes:
"in the place of old wants,
At 08:40 AM 12/02/2000 -0500, you wrote:
(posted to the Marxism list this morning by Jose Perez)
NEW YORK, Dec 1 (Reuters) - U.S. manufacturers are bearing the brunt of
an economic slowdown they say may be throwing the world's largest economy
into a lower gear too quickly and may soon
Hi Rob:
Oh, I think to imagine a system that can feed and shelter all the world's
people is to imagine a very different world. And I wasn't comparing
pleasures. If anything, I was trying to enumerate the conditions for
pleasure (eg. life as the logical priority - and time to live life's
This is a comment by Gerald Horne.
Charles B.
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Certainly, Jesse, et.al., are Dems but, as I'm sure you know, the
leadership of this party rests with Gore, Ed Rendell (former Mayor of
Philadelphia), and--ultimately--a wing of capital heavily concentrated in
capital intensive (as
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From: "Jim Devine" [EMAIL PROTECTED]
At 09:57 PM 12/01/2000 -0500, you wrote:
And Hoffa did not win because the government supported Hoffa Jr. - if
anything Carey had the support of a lot of the monitors in the Carey-Hoffa
matchup - but the progressive forces
[EMAIL PROTECTED] 12/02/00 12:25PM
CB: In our concrete circumstance , there are no reformist socialist or
labor parties, as in that situation.
This does not mean that we should support bourgeois parties now. If
anything, this is a reason to fight all the more harder for the existence
of such
Jim Devine wrote:
. They all make Alan Greenspan's job very difficult, if not
impossible (unless he _wants_ a severe recession).
I wonder how politically sophisticated he is. A severe
recession would harshly discipline that part of the work
force which has only begun to recover the losses
[EMAIL PROTECTED] 12/02/00 12:28PM
Marx rarely defines his times except contextually.
In retrospect, that was one of his mistakes (or rather, he should have
explained his method more clearly). It makes sense (in context, of course),
but it confuses later readers, just as it probably
Louis, we disagree about Marx's view of capitalism, which was dialectic, not
negative; by which I mean he thought it contained progressivwe elements that
socialism must sublate, not merely cancel but incorporate at a higher level.
His discussion (technically pre-"Marxist," but neither of us
What do the Penpals think of Leszek Kolakowski's *Main Currents of Marxism*
trilogy. Only just got my mits on it, but it reads pretty silkily -
especially for a translation.
Kolakowski is a genuinely great scholar, deeply learned, widely read,
profoundly thoughtful. He used to be a humanist
Justin:
the classical Marxist tradition, including Marx. Although I don't agree with
Jim Heartfield about much, I do agree with his rejection of this strand of
contemporary left thought
(clip)
Yes, that sort of thinking is rather widespread among ex-Marxists. It
amounts to having your cake and
I had composed a message that was almost word for word what Louis had
written here (gasp!), with the addendum that Lenin's view hardly settles
things for us today. I don't think opposition to the Dems is a matter of
principle. It is a tactic in movement-building and building a genuine third
Correct me if I'm wrong, but the TDU forces and the Carey folks who
"botched [a] diversion of union funds to fend off Hoffa" are two different
groups of people who were temporarily allied. The former are more
independent of the existing political establishment, while the latter are
more like
Insisting on clarity is a good thing, but there's no need to be persistently
snide. You spend a lot of time attacking a straw target here, the view that
everything new is good, and that all production of new needs is for the
better. Of course not! I never said that, so I am not retreating from
I agree with Jim's evaluation of the problem. I would only add the
complications posed by shakey economies elsewhere.
--
Michael Perelman
Economics Department
California State University
Chico, CA 95929
Tel. 530-898-5321
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Marx's use of needs is similar to Sen's terminology of capabilities. I does not
mean -- gee, I'd like a liposuction or a hair or breast transplant -- but here is
an opportunity (as Jim suggested) to expand my world and make my life fuller.
--
Michael Perelman
Economics Department
California
A. G. Frank send this to me. One point to note: the intro. by Patrick
Clawson, an ex-URPE stalwart. I once asked him about his conversion.
He just said, "people change."
ANDRE GUNDER FRANK
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Are you attributing this split-level, materialist (in the invidious sense)
view to me? Or casting aspersions on my parents, people about whom you know
nothing? I didn't say anything about what needs would be good for people to
have. I just said that a desirable socialism would generate more
Carrol,
I don't know how you expect me to label this
particular passage. Clearly Marx dealt with history,
philosophy, and sociology, along with political economy,
at a minimum. But then many of the political economists
of his day were more broadly based than they are today,
e.g. David
I think he is sophisticated but unworried about the
left at the present time. And why should he be?
Half of this list is more worried about a Bush
presidency than supporting an independent left
alternative. And this goes double (i.e., 100%),
for the labor movement.
mbs
I wonder how
Does anybody have a definitive answer to
the question as to what exactly it was about the
final US proposal that was unacceptable in the
eyes of Trittin and the other European negotiators
who refused to accept it? Again, one story that I
saw claimed that it was ultimately the demand for
Justin,
You've just got to remember that Louis runs
the marxism list. Therefore, he gets to decide who
is and is not a Marxist, or ex-Marxist, or proto-Marxist,
or.
Barkley Rosser
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From: Justin Schwartz [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Max Sawicky wrote:
I think he is sophisticated but unworried about the
left at the present time. And why should he be?
Half of this list is more worried about a Bush
presidency than supporting an independent left
alternative. And this goes double (i.e., 100%),
for the labor movement.
Justin:
the classical Marxist tradition, including Marx. Although I don't agree with
Jim Heartfield about much, I do agree with his rejection of this strand of
contemporary left thought
(clip)
Yes, that sort of thinking is rather widespread among ex-Marxists. It
amounts to having your cake and
I should probably sit this one out, but I did want to endorse a Lou
point on consumption,
http://csf.Colorado.EDU/mail/pen-l/2000IV/msg02234.html
since I didn't get round to it during last week's chat about pleasure.
The key issue is *not* the content of my desires (banal though they
are!), but
Michael wrote:
Marx's use of needs is similar to Sen's terminology of capabilities. I[t]
does not
mean -- gee, I'd like a liposuction or a hair or breast transplant -- but
here is
an opportunity (as Jim suggested) to expand my world and make my life fuller.
Michael, could you please explain
At 08:55 PM 12/02/2000 +, you wrote:
Insisting on clarity is a good thing, but there's no need to be
persistently snide.
You brag about having been to Oxford, etc., so you should be used to
snideness by now. (You've been in a pretty hot kitchen for a long time, so
you should be able to
2. The political critique of capitalism is quite distinct from a
puritan, Naderite-scold critique of consumption (you shouldn't want
that, it's not good for you). Both look askance at SUVs and hamburgers,
but for fundamentally different reasons.
Best, Colin
This is an important point. Nader's
The English used to use the term, undertaker, before they adopted
the French term, entrepreneur.
Undertaker has the advantage of certain double meanings.
Charles Brown wrote:
I thought "entrepreneur" was French for "take between" or " taker
between", middleman(person).
CB
Michael Perelman
Jim asked what Sen meant by capabilities. Here is a clear statement.
Sen, Amartya Kumar. 1992. Inequality Reexamined (Cambridge: Harvard University
Press).
40: "Capability [reflects] the person's freedom to lead one type of life or
another."
So, Marx, somewhere in the Grundrisse [you can find
I've never thought out my views on most of the questions
being raised in this thread. I'm going to print all the posts
out when the thread is completed and make up my mind
later on. But since Justin has apparently cited me as an
archetype, let me say that I have always regarded Marxism
as a
How is this: "If agreement X is signed into law during time period Y, what will be the
change in sea level between Jan. 1 2000 and Jan. 1 2030?" And "If agreement X is not
signed into law?" And the payoff is in 2030.
One problem: Agreement X must be specified precisely in order to satisfy
OK, your proposal and Sagoff's views on discourse are not mutually exclusive. In
practice, however, I suspect that publicizing the ongoing status of a betting game
would tend to interfere with discourse just as constant opinion polling does to our
elections and repeated straw votes would do to a
Lou:
2. The political critique of capitalism is quite distinct from a
puritan, Naderite-scold critique of consumption (you shouldn't want
that, it's not good for you). Both look askance at SUVs and hamburgers,
but for fundamentally different reasons.
Best, Colin
This is an important point.
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From: "Ulhas Joglekar" [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Iraq-India oil-for- food deal
Date: Sun, 3 Dec 2000 07:03:35 +0530
Thursday
30 November 2000
Oil-for-food deal with Iraq made
The Times of India News Service
NEW DELHI: India and Iraq has reached an understanding, whereby
I was trying to figure out your argument, which seemed very murky to me, by
saying that you needed to make some assumption such as that everything new
is good if your defense of entrepreneurs was to work.
It doesn't follow from the fact taht entrepreneurs do some good things that
everything
Justin wrote:
I am rather inclined to agree with you, Louis, that a middle-class,
suburban American lifestyle is not sustainable for six or ten
billion people, and that a sustaianble set of needs will have to be
rather different from those we now have. I certainly disagree with
Jim H's SUV
When I first came to Chico in '71, I organized an organic food buying co-op that was
very
successful. The local produce distributor -- handling quite a bit of the produce in
the
region -- thought that we would be to be bigger than his business. From there we
organized community gardens, a
Each day, I am seeing more signs of a downturn. I am fairly convinced
that it is real. Jim D. keeps referring to a Godley-like scenario, which
seems to make sense. My question is whether it can unravel into a
full-blown disaster. I am not confident one way or another. I would
appreciate any
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