Sheep and the rise of capitalism in England

2001-06-01 Thread Chris Burford
It seems clear that Louis Proyect has nothing to say himself on the role of sheep in the rise of capitalism in England. Does he or anybody else know if Brenner or Woods make any reference to this? (Humorous ficititious references from Louis Proyect will merely be irritating.) Chris Burford

Re: Re: Re: Pearl Harbor

2001-06-01 Thread Chris Burford
At 31/05/01 21:28 -0400, you wrote: as central as LP. If LP does not realise that is a constraint upon him, and does not understand that freedom is recognition of necessity, he will inevitably pay the consequences. Chris Burford Can you recommend maybe somebody who is wholesale? Louis

Krugmania

2001-06-01 Thread Keaney Michael
Jim Devine observes: sounds as if economics is failing the market test and should be down-sized. = MK: That is what is happening. And this process of cumulative causation is exacerbated by your second observation that... = so despite the failure in the free market-place of ideas, the

Market correction or dynastic decline?

2001-06-01 Thread Keaney Michael
Penners Spare a thought for two elderly philanthropists... Number's up for Murdoch/Packer venture The Guardian - United Kingdom, May 31, 2001 BY PATRICK BARKHAM IN SYDNEY AND DAVID TEATHER The heirs to the Murdoch and Packer media empires suffered a humiliating blow to their reputations

Michael Yates' Yellowstone journal

2001-06-01 Thread Louis Proyect
Yellowstone journal, no. 1 May 3, 2001 Friends, We left Pittsburgh on Sunday, April 29. We were on the road for four days, stopping in Janesvile, Wisconsin (home of a large GM plant, some of whose operations have been moved to Mexico), Chamberlain, South Dakota (which sits overlooking the

Re: vaseline

2001-06-01 Thread Tom Walker
Even? Even? Tony Blair has ALWAYS vaselined his gums. Even Tony Blair has to vaseline his gums to keep smiling. Tom Walker Bowen Island, BC 604 947 2213

Re: Market correction or dynastic decline?

2001-06-01 Thread Rob Schaap
G'day Michael, Mr Rich and Mr Keeling further antagonised their paymasters by awarding themselves multimillion dollar bonuses last year. Yeah, about $14.5 million. Unfortunate, that - as the word is that this is just about the amount of the accumulated entitlements that the company's

Jobs Byte - 06/01/01 by Dean Baker

2001-06-01 Thread Robert Naiman
Jobs Byte - 06/01/01 by Dean Baker Unemployment Edges Down as Job Loss Continues __ _ The decline in jobs and hours in the manufacturing sector, shows that it still has not hit bottom. __ _ The

Re: Sheep and the rise of capitalism in England

2001-06-01 Thread Rob Schaap
Chris Burford wrote: It seems clear that Louis Proyect has nothing to say himself on the role of sheep in the rise of capitalism in England. You're letting Lou get to you, Chris. Let it go, mate. As for sheep - here's the first verse from an early 16th century poem (cited in Rickword and

Re: Re: vaseline

2001-06-01 Thread Michael Pugliese
See the graphic at the bottom. Classic cover of LM. http://www.informinc.co.uk/LM/LM114/index.html Michael Pugliese - Original Message - From: Tom Walker [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, June 01, 2001 6:39 AM Subject: [PEN-L:12561] Re: vaseline Even? Even? Tony

Reckless charges against the FARC

2001-06-01 Thread Louis Proyect
In the current issue of Against the Current, there is an article by Dr. Joanne Rappaport titled Colombia: Options from the Grassroots. She is an anthro who has spent time working with Colombian Indians. Her article takes no position on class questions, but is written from a civil society and need

Re: Re: Re: Re: the mita

2001-06-01 Thread Louis Proyect
On the other hand, it may be said that there are highly developed but historically less mature forms of society in which the highest economic forms are to be found, such as cooperation, advanced division of labour etc, and yet there is no money in existence, eg. Peru Doesn't sound like

Re: Re: Re: Re: the mita

2001-06-01 Thread Doug Henwood
Rob Schaap wrote: I mean, what's C without M? Nothing, right? It's not a C unless it's produced and exchanged for M. Doug

Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: the mita

2001-06-01 Thread Jim Devine
Rob Schaap wrote: I mean, what's C without M? Doug writes: Nothing, right? It's not a C unless it's produced and exchanged for M. In theory at least, it would be possible to run a capitalist economy using barter. However, transactions costs would be very steep, while finance would be quite

Re: Reckless charges against the FARC

2001-06-01 Thread Michael Pugliese
FARC has the support of 3% of the Columbian people. Their best chance, when they went electoral in the 80's and ran many candidates and got slaughtered in the thousands, (was that M-19, or are they/were they different?) and retreated back to the mtns. shows how wretched the context is. But,

Background Information, Colombia

2001-06-01 Thread Michael Pugliese
http://www.wola.org/ http://www.ciponline.org/colombia/background.htm Updated 5/21/01 Background Information Note: most of the sites linked from this page are not on the CIP web site. If you find a broken link, please write us. Peace and Security The Peace Process in Colombia, by the

No Subject

2001-06-01 Thread Charles Brown

Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: the mita

2001-06-01 Thread Carrol Cox
Doug Henwood wrote: Rob Schaap wrote: I mean, what's C without M? Nothing, right? It's not a C unless it's produced and exchanged for M. This may be one of those quibbles that flips bystanders out -- but isn't a product still a commodity even though it is resting unsold in an

Re: Re: Reckless charges against the FARC

2001-06-01 Thread Louis Proyect
Michael Pugliese wrote: FARC has the support of 3% of the Columbian people. This is rich. Knock-knock. Quien? El Gallup. Entre. Favora el Farc o el gobierno? Me gusta el Farc. Ha-ha-ha!!! Es una broma. Soy con el AUC. BANG. BANG. BANG. Aghhh. Louis Proyect Marxism mailing list:

PB v6n20 - see this page

2001-06-01 Thread Michael Pugliese
Dear Progressive Economists I am sending you a copy of the page I read at http://www.fpif.org/briefs/vol6/v6n20colombia.html : PB v6n20 Colombia in Crisis Volume 6, Number 20 May 2001 By

Commentary from Bogota

2001-06-01 Thread Louis Proyect
Hi Lou: Thanks for keeping me posted. A few comments. I don't think the corporate leaders are hedging their bets, they want a peace deal with Tirofijo, and think they can get one if they can handle the paramilitary problem that they created. The corporate leaders of Colombia (and many

Imperialism was inherent in capitalism's expansion

2001-06-01 Thread Louis Proyect
Imperialism and Globalization by Samir Amin This article is a reconstruction from notes of a talk delivered at the World Social Forum meeting in Porto Alegre, Brazil in January 2001. Imperialism is not a stage, not even the highest stage, of capitalism: from the beginning, it is inherent in

organic farming, land ownershiip, labor: transgenic drug production.

2001-06-01 Thread Ken Hanly
I am no expert on organic farming but I have read some critiques of industrial type farming by those supporting organic farming. I see little in those critiques that deal with the question of public versus private land ownership. And there is zilch about social ownership of the producers of

BLS Daily Report

2001-06-01 Thread Richardson_D
BLS DAILY REPORT, FRIDAY, JUNE 1, 2001: RELEASED TODAY: Nonfarm employment and the unemployment rate were little changed in May, the Bureau of Labor Statistics reported today. Manufacturing had another large job loss, which was mostly offset by employment gains in other industries,

WBAI marathon programming

2001-06-01 Thread Louis Proyect
With the increasing isolation of the gang running NYC's Pacifica station, they have sort of begun scraping the bottom of the barrel. Yesterday morning I turned the station on to hear Alton Maddox joining station manager and board hack Eutrice Leid lashing out at all their enemies. Maddox is an

Re: WBAI marathon programming

2001-06-01 Thread Tim Bousquet
--- Louis Proyect [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: With the increasing isolation of the gang running NYC's Pacifica station, they have sort of begun scraping the bottom of the barrel. No, the bottom of the barrel is the New Dimensions show out of Ukiah, California, which has been picked up by an

Re: WBAI marathon programming

2001-06-01 Thread ravi narayan
Louis Proyect wrote: With the increasing isolation of the gang running NYC's Pacifica station, they have sort of begun scraping the bottom of the barrel. Yesterday morning I turned the station on to hear Alton Maddox joining station manager and board hack Eutrice Leid lashing out at all

Sugar

2001-06-01 Thread Ricardo Duchesne
I am very confused. It is not that I think it is a waste of time to measure how many acres of land it takes to produce x calories of sugar, because sugar was inessential to the English diet; it is this: doesn't Pomeranz realize China was already blessed with land suitable for sugar

who's in the working class?

2001-06-01 Thread Jim Devine
Awhile back, Mad Max Sawicky suggested a way to define the working class. By bizarre coincidence -- since we _never_ agree on anything -- it roughly coincided with my own workable definition. Of course, I look at it from the opposite direction, looking at the capitalist class. In one of my many

24 Villagers Killed in Colombia.

2001-06-01 Thread Michael Pugliese
24 Villagers Killed in Colombiahttp://dailynews.yahoo.com/fc/World/Colombia/ Thursday May 31 7:53 PM ET 24 Villagers Killed in Colombia BOGOTA, Colombia (AP) - Leftist guerrillas rampaged through a cluster of villages in northern Colombia over the weekend and killed at least 24 residents, hacking

Re: organic farming, land ownershiip,labor: transgenic drug production.

2001-06-01 Thread Michael Perelman
Ken, you are correct that much of the organic movement has to do with small farm populism. I know of no stereotypical small farmer. Some are left populist; some, right populist; some, hippy ... Small farmers, in general, tend to be worse for labor, partially since so many have their backs to

Re: Sheep and the rise of capitalism in England

2001-06-01 Thread Chris Burford
At 02/06/01 01:01 +, you wrote: Chris Burford wrote: It seems clear that Louis Proyect has nothing to say himself on the role of sheep in the rise of capitalism in England. You're letting Lou get to you, Chris. Let it go, mate I am merely firing a prudent pre-emptive shot in view of

Re: Re: Re: Re: Pearl Harbor

2001-06-01 Thread Michael Perelman
Please, Chris, the subject is not LP. Chris Burford wrote: At 31/05/01 21:28 -0400, you wrote: as central as LP. If LP does not realise that is a constraint upon him, and does not understand that freedom is recognition of necessity, he will inevitably pay the consequences. Chris

Memorial Day with Schleifer

2001-06-01 Thread Brown, Martin (NCI)
I went camping in the rain on Chingoteague Island (were talking about one tent in a sea of trailer homes) on Memorial Day weekend. Actually I had to leave early morning on Memorial Day because I had to get up to Boston for a site visit at Harvard Med on Tuesday. Call me a masochist, but I spent

Re: 24 Villagers Killed in Colombia.

2001-06-01 Thread Louis Proyect
When the United States is poised to intervene massively in Colombia, posting items such as this from Yahoo can only be characterized as an anti-Communist provocation. During the build-up to the war in Vietnam, the daily press was filled with stories about Vietcong atrocities. Reading this

Always in the Middle! (was Re: 24 Villagers Killed in Colombia)

2001-06-01 Thread Yoshie Furuhashi
24 Villagers Killed in Colombia BOGOTA, Colombia (AP) snip Villagers are often caught in the middle, targeted in massacres by one side or the other aiming to punishing them for collaborating with the enemy. It's interesting that villagers are always caught in the middle, be they in Vietnam or

Re: Re: Sheep and the rise of capitalism in England

2001-06-01 Thread Stephen E Philion
I have never been a big fan of British sheep. They make me wanna sleep. Steve On Fri, 1 Jun 2001, Chris Burford wrote: At 02/06/01 01:01 +, you wrote: Chris Burford wrote: It seems clear that Louis Proyect has nothing to say himself on the role of sheep in the rise of

Re: Re: 24 Villagers Killed in Colombia.

2001-06-01 Thread Stephen E Philion
The story sounds eerily like stories we used to read about 'peasants caught in the middle' in El Salvador for that matter... Steve Stephen Philion Lecturer/PhD Candidate Department of Sociology 2424 Maile Way Social Sciences Bldg. # 247 Honolulu, HI 96822 On Fri, 1 Jun 2001, Louis Proyect

RE: Memorial Day with Schleifer

2001-06-01 Thread Max Sawicky
How are the mosquitos this year? I'm going there in three weeks, but I don't plan to live in a tent. nice piece on AS et al. mbs I went camping in the rain on Chingoteague Island . . .

Re: Reckless charges against the FARC

2001-06-01 Thread Yoshie Furuhashi
Lou wrote: Of course, one of the big problems facing those of us who would like to see imperialism defeated in Colombia is the lack of an organization like Committee in Solidarity with the People of El Salvador in the USA which could counter lies about the FARC. This is a party function of the

Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Eurocentrism

2001-06-01 Thread Nemonemini
In a message dated 5/31/2001 10:35:14 PM Eastern Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Thorough waste of bandwith steve I find that an arrogant response, old dodo. Then please remember that you do not represent anyone's struggle for socialist freedom. At least don't get in the way of

Re: fantasy and political organization

2001-06-01 Thread Ian Murray
Are you organizing locally and globally? Would you like to? Have you found it challenging to address issues of race, class, and gender within your local/ global work? How about getting together with other activists and discussing the challenges of glocalizing our work? Join us for a NOA

Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Eurocentrism

2001-06-01 Thread Stephen E Philion
waste of bandwith On Fri, 1 Jun 2001 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: In a message dated 5/31/2001 10:35:14 PM Eastern Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Thorough waste of bandwith steve I find that an arrogant response, old dodo. Then please remember that you do not represent

Re: Re: Re: 24 Villagers Killed in Colombia.

2001-06-01 Thread Louis Proyect
(posted to the Marxism list in response to my post on Rappaport's ATC article) Not that this is news or anything, but, in my searches for FARC news through mainstream media, I regularly come across reports about 'decapitated peasants' and the like. Always attributed to the FARC, while qualifying

Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Eurocentrism

2001-06-01 Thread Nemonemini
In a message dated 6/1/2001 7:12:20 PM Eastern Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: waste of bandwith Give me a break man, you have to answer sooner or later to such issues, if not to me. Also, let me be a clearer. Forget this Rajnesh, he's too confusing. I am sorry I mentioned it. Nor

Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: the mita

2001-06-01 Thread Rob Schaap
Doug Henwood wrote: Rob Schaap wrote: I mean, what's C without M? Nothing, right? It's not a C unless it's produced and exchanged for M. I was just speculating that you can't run a system based on generalised commodity production without a conveniently portable universal measure and

Re: Memorial Day with Schleifer

2001-06-01 Thread Rob Schaap
Lovely job of work, Martin! I started the thing with resolve - but not quite enough. Good on you. Rob.

Re: Re: Re: Re: 24 Villagers Killed in Colombia.

2001-06-01 Thread Sam Pawlett
(posted to the Marxism list in response to my post on Rappaport's ATC article) Not that this is news or anything, but, in my searches for FARC news through mainstream media, I regularly come across reports about 'decapitated peasants' and the like It was and is common practice in 'dirty'

Re: Re: True Hegelian Truth

2001-06-01 Thread Joanna Sheldon
(Coming in on this thread late, here, sorry, just got back on the list this morning) Die Wahrheit ist die Ganze will translate as The truth is the whole. I am pretty sure that is how Miller does it. --jks Actually, Hegel's phrase is Das Wahre ist das Ganze, meaning the true is the whole.

Re: Re: Re: True Hegelian Truth

2001-06-01 Thread Ian Murray
(Coming in on this thread late, here, sorry, just got back on the list this morning) Die Wahrheit ist die Ganze will translate as The truth is the whole. I am pretty sure that is how Miller does it. --jks Actually, Hegel's phrase is Das Wahre ist das Ganze, meaning the true is the

Re: Re: Re: True Hegelian Truth

2001-06-01 Thread Ken Hanly
As I recall, it is Protagoras who claims that man is the measure of all things rather than Aristotle. What is neo-eleusinian?Concepts of change and progress are crucial to Hegel's views as far as I can make any sense of them whereas Parmenides denies the reality of change. Although a rationalist

Re: Re: Re: True Hegelian Truth

2001-06-01 Thread Andrew Hagen
Actually, Hegel's phrase is Das Wahre ist das Ganze, meaning the true is the whole. There is no beginning in Hegel's philosophy. To grasp one part is to grasp, by necessity, all of it. My German is too patchy to make sense of the article without Babelfish. I'd have to agree, though, on the