What One.Tel tells us about competition
By KENNETH DAVIDSON: THE AGE Monday 4 June 2001
"Rape and pillage or their white-collar equivalents, fraud and embezzlement,
provide the most direct means of satisfying greed and accumulating power, and
it is only when such routes to wealth are blocked that
On Sun, 3 Jun 2001, Chris Burford wrote:
> I wonder now what contemptuous humorous joke Louis Proyect was trying to
> stifle when I first enquired whether there had been any discussion of
> sheep. If it was anything more than political analysis by sectarian
> mockery, perhaps he can reveal it. Ot
In my earlier post entitled 'A People's History of England' I gave detailed
evidence of why orthodox marxist views on England in the past gave
prominence to the role of sheep and wool in the emergence of capitalism in
England, tracing the development of internal causes but placing it within
t
Hello Economists,
Rob Schaap writes me in reply about where I got the figure of 700
billion for the Telecom debts. Sorry can't make the exact quote. I put it
in an email to friends about a month ago. I recollect I saw it in the Lex
column in the Financial Times. But I assume it can be look
--- Jim Devine <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Of course, this is the kind of thing that the
> Palestinians have to decide
> for themselves.
The problem is: Who are the Palestinians, and Who
speaks for them?
Arafat, circa 1968-1989 was, in the words of the day,
"the sole legitimate representativ
G'day Maggie and Doyle,
> Margaret Coleman briefly remarks, The unemployment rate fell by a tenth last month,
>instead of going up as everyone predicted. This is despite all the tech closings and
>lay offs. Anyone want to guess why? I think that the layoffs this time are amongst
>the white
Max:
>Opposing U.S. intervention does not depend on solidarity
>with the FARC or anyone else. Presumably most people
>here who opposed NATO in the Balkans were not practising
>solidarity w/Milo.
Actually, the same divide that existed with respect to US intervention in
Yugoslavia exists with resp
> I fail to see a need for any position on this more
> finely articulated than U.S. out of Colombia,
> hands off, get the fuck out, period. Anyone left
> on the ground in Colombia obviously has more
> a more complicated life. It's not clear they
> need our advice.
Onya, Max! Sledgehammer-simpl
Greetings All,
Two theoretical areas in cognition and in software apply to the current
IT (Information Technology) sector of the global economy that will influence
organizing working class people. The meaning of organizing people will
shift as electronic technology supplants older forms of so
On Wed, 30 May 2001, Michael Perelman wrote:
> The question of water seems to be crucial.. . . I cannot imagine a
> Middle East peace unless some way be found to reconcile the
> conflicting water demands in the region
Michael T. Klare has an article in the May-June Foreign Affairs (excerpted
fr
G'day Justin,
> Well, Brit writers wouldn't be of _my_ society; Pound, Eliot, and
> Yeats are
> as foreign as Akhmatova and Brecht to an American.
*Whoop. Whoop. Gross and possibly offensive generalisation alert!*
As I understand it, Pound was born in Idaho and educated in Philadelphia. He
At 09:55 PM 06/03/2001 -0500, you wrote:
>The unemployment rate fell by a tenth last month, instead of going up as
>everyone predicted.
part of the problem is that month-to-month changes in the unemployment rate
have a low signal-to-noise ratio.
Jim Devine [EMAIL PROTECTED] & http://bellarmine.
At 09:48 PM 06/03/2001 -0500, you wrote:
>Jim, I see there is more to your definition than I responded to in the
>earlier message One problem I have with defining working class is the
>median income you mention as a measure. Alot of union workers, especially
>blue collar skilled workers,
Tim wrote:
>It seems to
>me now that "two state solution" is an impossibility
>now, and that the only hope for Palestinians is to
>build a civil rights movement within a truly
>democratic Israel.
I think you're right. I've had a fantasy -- one that's quite impractical,
I'm afraid -- that the Pal
At 08:00 PM 06/03/2001 -0400, you wrote:
>Opposing U.S. intervention does not depend on solidarity
>with the FARC or anyone else. Presumably most people
>here who opposed NATO in the Balkans were not practising
>solidarity w/Milo.
damn straight. It's important to avoid the "enemy of my enemy is
because of the strange dating of the estate tax repeal, Krugman calls it
the "throw Momma from the train act"
At 04:15 PM 06/03/2001 -0700, you wrote:
>http://www.sfgate.com/chronicle/
>Estate planning is no picnic
>Tax changes create chaos
>Kathleen PenderSunday, June 3, 2001
>
>There's a m
Margaret Coleman wrote:
>
> Hi Jim and max (mad or not), I agree with this formula as far as it goes,
> but I think this is a little too vague. Not having to work means one
> thing if you own a modest home, put your kids in public school, pay taxes,
> drive a moderately priced vehicle, et
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Greetings Economists,
Margaret Coleman briefly remarks,
The unemployment rate fell by a tenth last month, instead of going up as
everyone predicted. This is despite all the tech closings and lay
offs. Anyone want to guess why? I think that the layoffs this time are
amongst the white collar, ski
Nathan, I should have added that I know that you were not the first to
mention Kosovo, but I would hate to see us go over that again unless
someone had something new to add.
On Sun, Jun 03, 2001 at 09:45:26PM -0400, Nathan Newman wrote:
> - Original Message -
> From: "Michael Perelman" <[
I was never an enthusiastic supporter of Milosevic, but the U.S. never
opposed anybody because of human rights violations -- they only run into
trouble if they inconvenience the U.S.
On Sun, Jun 03, 2001 at 09:45:26PM -0400, Nathan Newman wrote:
> - Original Message -
> From: "Michael Per
The unemployment rate fell by a tenth last month, instead of going up as
everyone predicted. This is despite all the tech closings and lay
offs. Anyone want to guess why? I think that the layoffs this time are
amongst the white collar, skilled workers and that's why they're getting
so much pres
Nathan:
>The comparison to Kosovo is a bit off, since while various groups may have
>warmer or cooler attitudes towards the FARC itself, the more interesting
>comparison is to attitudes towards the KLA, which like the FARC was the
>rebel movement involved there. Many folks (including Lou) happily
- Original Message -
From: "Michael Perelman" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>Nathan, the KLA were like the FARC only if you see the Serbians as the bad
>guys. We went over that fight already.
I wasn't the one making the original comparison between Columbia and Kosovo,
but even most of those who
Jim, I see there is more to your definition than I responded to in the
earlier message One problem I have with defining working class
is the median income you mention as a measure. Alot of union workers,
especially blue collar skilled workers, make a whole lot more than median
income. The a
Hi Jim and max (mad or not), I agree with this formula as far as it goes,
but I think this is a little too vague. Not having to work means one
thing if you own a modest home, put your kids in public school, pay taxes,
drive a moderately priced vehicle, etc. The thing is, most people who hav
Nathan, the KLA were like the FARC only if you see the Serbians as the bad
guys. We went over that fight already.
On Sun, Jun 03, 2001 at 09:09:45PM -0400, Nathan Newman wrote:
> - Original Message -
> From: "Louis Proyect" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>
> >Actually, the same divide that existed
It now seems that insecticides are probably at least partly to blame for the
breast cancer epidemic in the USA. Israel is the only industrial country in
the world with a reducing rate of breast cancer -- and they banned pesticides
in agriculture years ago. Now if they could only stop killing the
I too have an unpublished manuscript -- I call it a novel. maggie coleman
Max Sawicky wrote:
> Awhile back, "Mad" Max Sawicky suggested a way to define the working class.
> By bizarre coincidence -- since we _never_ agree on anything -- it roughly
> coincided with my own workable definition. Of
- Original Message -
From: "Louis Proyect" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Sent: Sunday, June 03, 2001 8:11 PM
Subject: [PEN-L:12681] Re: RE: Re: The Truth Will Set You Free
Max:
>Opposing U.S. intervention does not depend on solidarity
>with the FARC or anyone else. Presu
- Original Message -
From: "Louis Proyect" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>Actually, the same divide that existed with respect to US intervention in
>Yugoslavia exists with respect to the impending war in Colombia. Nation
>Magazine liberals, Z Magazine and the like opposed Nato's military actions
>b
Max wrote:
>There is also the small matter of the truth of
>what is happening. Efforts to obscure this do
>not uphold the credibility of the speaker, assuming
>they have any credibility to begin with.
>Acknowledgement of whatever crimes the FARC
>et al. are guilty of would strengthen any
>good cl
Well, Brit writers wouldn't be of _my_ society; Pound, Eliot, and Yeats are
as foreign as Akhmatova and Brecht to an American. Matter of fact, I do love
my fellow American poets: Whitman, Dickenson, Thomas McGrath, Robinson
Jeffers, the poets of the Harlem Renaissance, Adrienne Rich, Denis Lev
by A.L. Morton first published 1938 by Lawrence and Wishart, the publishers
for the Communist Party of Great Britain.
Despite this date I suggest the following passages are a robust marxist
interpretation of the importance of wool as a precursor of industrial
capitalism in England. Note how th
Max:
>Opposing U.S. intervention does not depend on solidarity
>with the FARC or anyone else. Presumably most people
>here who opposed NATO in the Balkans were not practising
>solidarity w/Milo.
Actually, the same divide that existed with respect to US intervention in
Yugoslavia exists with resp
I am sorry if I gave you the impression that I want to paper over problems
with the FARC. I only said that I thought that we don't have to bother
with anti-FARC stuff here.
On Sun, Jun 03, 2001 at 08:00:28PM -0400, Max Sawicky wrote:
> Max wrote:
> >There is also the small matter of the truth of
http://www.sfgate.com/chronicle/
Estate planning is no picnic
Tax changes create chaos
Kathleen PenderSunday, June 3, 2001
There's a morbid joke going around estate planning circles: If you
have to die, do it on Dec. 31, 2010.
Under the new tax bill President Bush is expected to sign this we
Chris wrote:
In catching up on Steve Philion's posts I note he picked up on the
sparring by LP about Hammurabi.
--What are you talking about? Hammurabi who? How could I spar over someone
I never heard of?
Steve
Stephen Philion
Lecturer/PhD Candidate
Department of Sociology
2424 Maile Way
Soci
At 28/05/01 20:01 -0500, Carrol wrote:
>Rob Schaap wrote:
> >
> > Quoth Jim:
> >
> > >If I remember correctly, some of Hammurabi's code referred to market
> > transactions. If there any experts on this subject reading this,
> > please correct me if I'm wrong.<
> >
> > Respondeth Lou:
> >
> > > I
--- Jim Devine <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> This is turning into a total melt-down, a vicious
> circle that threatens to
> become a new kind of holocaust.
Yes. I was in Palestine during the intifada, and while
things weren't good, there was an ultimately positive
spirit among the Palestinians
Please Steve, cool it.
On Sun, Jun 03, 2001 at 11:34:59AM -1000, Stephen E Philion wrote:
> On Sun, 3 Jun 2001, Louis Proyect wrote:
>
> > Michael wrote:
> > >I hope that my double standard is clear. I know that the US has the
> > >capacity to manufacture atrocities as well as to cover them up.
I just added you to the Marxism list. If you want to start a flame war, you
can do it over there instead of provoking me on PEN-L.
At 11:34 AM 6/3/01 -1000, you wrote:
>On Sun, 3 Jun 2001, Louis Proyect wrote:
>
>> Michael wrote:
>> >I hope that my double standard is clear. I know that the US h
On Sun, 3 Jun 2001, Louis Proyect wrote:
> Michael wrote:
> >I hope that my double standard is clear. I know that the US has the
> >capacity to manufacture atrocities as well as to cover them up.
> >
> >Raymond Bonner got punished for trying to describe inconvenient
> >atrocities; others get rew
Michael wrote:
>I hope that my double standard is clear. I know that the US has the
>capacity to manufacture atrocities as well as to cover them up.
>
>Raymond Bonner got punished for trying to describe inconvenient
>atrocities; others get rewarded for passing on untruths.
I think that while the
>... And Labour seems to have done well. 'It doesn't get any better than
>this,' says Robert Barrie, an economist at Credit Suisse First Boston.
>'The misery index [unemployment plus inflation] is at its lowest for 30 years.'
>
>But the irony is that Labour says that the things that it has done
NYT June 3, 2001
Capital Leaps Forward in China
By CRAIG S. SMITH
S HANGHAI WANG WENJING, a mild-mannered 36-year-old computer
programmer became one of the wealthiest men in China two weeks ago,
worth more than half a billion dollars. The source of his sudden
riches: China's stil
I hope that my double standard is clear. I know that the US has the
capacity to manufacture atrocities as well as to cover them up.
Raymond Bonner got punished for trying to describe inconvenient
atrocities; others get rewarded for passing on untruths.
On Sun, Jun 03, 2001 at 01:12:53PM -0400,
http://chicagotribune.com
Finger-pointing on the rise after markets' swoon
By Janet Kidd Stewart
and Kathy Bergen
Tribune staff reporters
June 3, 2001
Now it's personal.
After getting rich together as they rode the great bull market of the
1990s, investors and their stockbrokers now are more freq
http://chicagotribune.com/news/nationworld/article/0,2669,ART-52195,FF
.html
'You don't have to worry about China'
Distrust takes back seat to love of U.S. culture
By Michael A. Lev
Tribune foreign correspondent
June 3, 2001
CHONGQING, China -- Her hair was dyed the color of Beaujolais. She
wore
"If you visit American city
You will find it very pretty
There are just two things of which you must beware
Don't drink the water and don't breathe the air!"
Tom Lehrer, "Pollution"
>
>NOT a stupid question at all. Perhaps naive to assume that the desk clerk
>would have the answer.
>
>Michael
Whatever happened to big economics?
Under Labour macro policy is disappearing. So, welcome to Public
Sector Plc, says Faisal Islam
Observer Election Special
On the campaign trail today
Election 2001
Sunday June 3, 2001
The Observer
Halfway through the election campaign William Hague seemed to
Max wrote:
>There is also the small matter of the truth of
>what is happening. Efforts to obscure this do
>not uphold the credibility of the speaker, assuming
>they have any credibility to begin with.
>Acknowledgement of whatever crimes the FARC
>et al. are guilty of would strengthen any
>good cl
Justin Schwartz wrote:
>
> Why is "adore" strong for writing that illuminates one's life? >Anyway,
>Carrol, I didn't know you were capable of being only mildly >irked. ;>
>
> Personally, I have never been able to make anything of Pound, Pope's
> OK,
> lots of fun. We are of one mind on
You can dress up atrocity reports w/a lot of
marxist blather but the implied moral exhortation
and political motive are no less obvious. I
eschew bourgeois morality, but see how brutal
capitalism is. Check out these testicles.
Anyone who employs atrocity reports can hardly
hope to delegitimize
If truth is whole, Hegelian truth would do well to be studied in the context
of the whole of German philosophy, if not world philosophy. The sudden
re-start, in medias res, in the wake of Kant and the mysterious decade of the
1790's as Kant's system is a) transcended b) plundered of the mummy st
Yup, I do.
Here is Nick Cave on putting the hammer down...allusion to Clinton in '92 in
front of CANF not intended!
Michael Pugliese
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CIA Adventures in Venture Capital
Hill Reviewing Agency's Multimillion-Dollar In-Q-Tel Offshoot for
Value
By Vernon Loeb
Washington Post Staff Writer
Sunday, June 3, 2001; Page A05
Three years after the CIA began pouring millions of dollars into an
unclassified venture capital fund called In-Q-
I don't think that I have to put my foot down with Michael. I think that
he understands now.
On Sun, Jun 03, 2001 at 12:40:12PM -0400, Louis Proyect wrote:
> Michael wrote:
> >I agree with Lou that we are likely to be innundated with Tonkin Gulf
> stories of
> >atrocities, but Lou should not per
Michael wrote:
>I agree with Lou that we are likely to be innundated with Tonkin Gulf
stories of
>atrocities, but Lou should not personalize Michael Publiese's motives. I
don't
>think, however, that the list is served well however by such atrocity
stories.
Then why don't you put your foot down?
I agree with Lou that we are likely to be innundated with Tonkin Gulf stories of
atrocities, but Lou should not personalize Michael Publiese's motives. I don't
think, however, that the list is served well however by such atrocity stories.
Louis Proyect wrote:
> At 08:42 AM 6/3/01 -0700, you wro
What this forum needs is not atrocity tales about the left or the right,
but a class analysis based on the history of the region. This is clearly
lacking in the bourgeois media that Pugliese favors, or the NACLA front
that he just posted from here. Unless you get a handle on these issues, you
will
At 08:42 AM 6/3/01 -0700, you wrote:
>washingtonpost.com: Rampage by Colombian Rebels Marks New Level of Brutality
>Rampage by Colombian Rebels Marks New Level of Brutality
>Guerrillas' Tactics in Massacre Mimic Methods Used by Rival Force
>By Scott Wilson
>Washington Post Foreign Service
>Sunday,
http://www.colombiareport.org/colombia64.htm
washingtonpost.com: Rampage by Colombian Rebels Marks New Level of Brutality
Rampage by Colombian Rebels Marks New Level of Brutality
Guerrillas' Tactics in Massacre Mimic Methods Used by Rival Force
By Scott Wilson
Washington Post Foreign Service
Sunday, June 3, 2001; Page A14
PUERTO FRESQUILLO,
- Original Message -
From: "Van Gosse/Eliza Reilly" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Sent: Saturday, June 02, 2001 11:29 PM
Subject: The British Marxist Historians and the study of social movements
First Call for Papers=20
Making Social Movements:=20
The British Marxist Histori
NOT a stupid question at all. Perhaps naive to assume that the desk clerk
would have the answer.
Michael Yates wrote,
> the questions are sometime so stupid that you want to scream
> one person from the US asked if it was safe to drink the water!
Tom Walker
Bowen Island, BC
604 947 2213
Why is "adore" strong for writing that illuminates one's life? Anyway,
Carrol, I didn't know you were capable of being only mildly irked. ;>
Personally, I have never been able to make anything of Pound, Pope's OK,
lots of fun. We are of one mind on Milton. My own short list in English
poetry i
Michael Perelman:
>
>
> Actually, Mark privately criticized me for that part of the book.
I said the following about the book on the CrashList:
> The importance of "The Invention of Capitalism" cannot be underestimated.
> The history of so-called "Primitive Accumulation" is still not just
> litt
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