RE: RE: Kuznets cycles and energy-system renewal

Mathew Forstater wrote: > > > I have a very short encyclopedia entry on the Kuznets U hypothesis, but > it is part of slightly a longer essay, if anyone is interested. I'd very much like to see it. >I argue > that Kuznets himself warned against applying what were some "hunches" > about the early

Re: RE: Re: RE: Re: Current implications for South

> From: "Mark Jones" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > To:<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > The problem of debt, which you raise about Zim, is simply a red-herring. In > context, debt, though not trivial, is symptomatic rather than causal. Your > hopes about renewables are equally illusory. You're j

Re: Fw: Jesse Lemisch

I do not think that something like this should be sent to the list. Michael Pugliese wrote: > > >I'm sure you've seen Lou "intervene" at the NY Marxist School or the > > > Brecht Forum! > > > Michael Pugliese -- Michael Perelman Economics Department California State University Chico, CA 95

Re: RE: Kuznets cycles and energy-system renewal

At 07:10 PM 06/25/2001 -0500, you wrote: >. I argue >that Kuznets himself warned against applying what were some "hunches" >about the early development of presently industrialized countries to >currently 'developing' economies. without those warnings, the "Kuznets hypothesis" (that rising inequal

Re: Marxism and ecology

At 25/06/01 14:02 -0400, Louis Proyect wrote: >No kidding. >Geez, I did not know that. >Recent reading has convinced me that it is time to reconsider dialectical >materialism, the unjustly maligned attempt by Marx and Engels to provide a >unified analysis of society and nature. That is not

Fwd: NULL'S REPORT REBROADCAST

>GARY NULL REBROADCAST RIGHT NOW ON WBIX.ORG > >...folks, right now--8:11 p.m.--on www.wbix.org, Errol is >broadcasting Gary Null's *investigation* from earlier today on the >situation at WBAI. After that conversation, Denis Moynihan from the >Pacifica Campaign and Bernard White appeared on WB

RE: Kuznets cycles and energy-system renewal

I have a very short encyclopedia entry on the Kuznets U hypothesis, but it is part of slightly a longer essay, if anyone is interested. I argue that Kuznets himself warned against applying what were some "hunches" about the early development of presently industrialized countries to currently 'deve

Gary Null

The Pacifica board, which has been hijacked by a bunch of corporate sharks, has two main bases of support. In NYC's WBAI, it consists of porkchop nationalists who take their cue from station manager Utrice Leid while at Los Angeles's KPFK it consists of Nation magazine liberals. Two smaller statio

Re: RE: Re: Current implications for South Africa

Mark Jones wrote: > Yoshie Furuhashi > > Mark should stop putting the question as an oft-thwarted attempt at > > a prediction -- e.g., "will energy be available at current > > requirement >projections at environmental costs most people can > > stand and at market prices >compatible

Re: Re: Cuban Genetic Engineering (was Jesse Lemisch)

Yoshie: >I'm not presenting Cuba as a model, however attractive & promising >its combination of organic agriculture & genetic engineering may be. >I'm simply saying that one-dimensional opposition to genetic >engineering (& science in general) is counter-productive. Genetic >engineering can b

Genetic Engineering (was John Zerzan: Future Primitive [was Re:Current implications for South Africa])

http://www.prospect.org/webfeatures/2001/06/mooney-c-06-22.html Libertarians are Right! When It Comes to Promising Technologies Like Genetically Modified Foods, Liberals Need Stranger Bedfellows 6.22.01 - Original Message - From: "Yoshie Furuhashi" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: <[EMAIL PROTECT

Re: FT on the slump

the FT wrote: >The Bank for International Settlements recently published a sobering >report noting that falls in private-sector net saving on the scale that >the US has experienced - minus 6.5 per cent of gross domestic product in >2000 - have almost always been followed by sharp falls in econo

Re: Re: Re: Current implications for South Africa

At 02:58 PM 6/25/01 -0400, you wrote: >>At Foundry on April 14, Nader spoke out, rightly, for vaccination, but >>attacked Viagra and Prozac, apparently seen as only life-style >>frivolities. From the audience, Joanne Landy (a Nader supporter) cried >>out -- as is her custom in such situations,

Re: RE: Re: Re: THE HISTORY OF DEFORESTATION

The history of Pacific Lumber Company is illustrative. (I have a book about it sitting around somewhere, but it's not here in my office, so this is of the top of my head.) The first generation to log in the family started in Main, but had overlogged their lands and so picked up and moved to Wiscon

Re: Marxism and ecology

Re; Diamat "The Betrayal of Marx:Engels Contra Marx, " by Bender, Frederic L. early 70's. Not an Althusserian. "The Two Marxism's, " by Alvin Gouldner, most definitely no fan of Althusser!

BLS Daily Report

> BUREAU OF LABOR STATISTICS DAILY REPORT, JUNE 25, 2001: > > Workforce reductions in the high-tech industry have garnered many of the > headlines and public attention this year, but layoffs in the old economy > sectors have actually been more numerous since 1997, the outplacement firm > Challeng

e: US Deception during Bosnian war (previously sent,cut a bunch 'o verbiage...)

Click the URL's esp. for the great aufheben piece> etnicizing NATOsevic by Harald Beyer-Arneson, I think. Michael Pugliese >funny how one can easily disconnect nationalism from economy. jc helary http://www.ainfos.ca/99/may/ainfos00083.html (en) The BALKAN WAR and leftist apologetics for the Mi

Re: Cuban Genetic Engineering (was Jesse Lemisch)

>Yoshie: >>Cuban socialists aren't opposed to genetic engineering per se, though >>I don't know if they like eatin' tuna & doubt that they are sanguine >>about trends in corporate genetic engineering. :-> > >Cubans also use nuclear power. In any case, it does not make sense to >extrapolate from t

Kuznets cycles and energy-system renewal

Energy-supply systems tend to be highly centralised, large-scale and capital intensive. Therefore they tend to be the subject of waves of investment, consolidation, and eventual transformation as new technologies accumulate. Since the periods of renewal and transformation require massive new inves

Re: Fw: Jesse Lemisch

>- Original Message - >From: "Jesse Lemisch" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >To: "Michael Pugliese" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >Sent: Monday, June 25, 2001 12:50 PM >Subject: Re: [PEN-L:13969] Jesse Lemisch > > >> Thanks for sending this to me. It's amazing in its inability to come to >> terms with a seriou

Re: Re: Cuban Genetic Engineering (was Jesse Lemisch)

http://www.columbia.edu/~lnp3/msg04556.html Sent to PSN on the 8th or so... M.Pugliese Janette Habel's (French Trotskyist) 'Cuba. The Revolution in Peril' (Verso, 1991) http://www.unhcr.ch/refworld/country/writenet/wricub01.htm http://www.wpunj.edu/~newpol/issue19/farber19.htm Cuba: The One-P

Fw: Jesse Lemisch

- Original Message - From: "Jesse Lemisch" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: "Michael Pugliese" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Monday, June 25, 2001 12:50 PM Subject: Re: [PEN-L:13969] Jesse Lemisch > Thanks for sending this to me. It's amazing in its inability to come to > terms with a serious argume

RE: Re: Re: THE HISTORY OF DEFORESTATION

>From the establishment of the English colony of Jamestown in 1607, there was uninterrupted and widespread environmental destruction. Within a few generations, the great forests of the Northeast were leveled, and not long after the Civil War logging companies started deforesting the Midwest at su

environmental demands

I don't think anybody here is a real expert on ecology -- I hope that I am wrong. I think that we have made demands on the environment that go well beyond sustainability. I assume that there is general agreement there. I assume that we some mix of 3 possibilities ahead of us. 1. Superior techn

Re: Cuban Genetic Engineering (was Jesse Lemisch)

Yoshie: >Cuban socialists aren't opposed to genetic engineering per se, though >I don't know if they like eatin' tuna & doubt that they are sanguine >about trends in corporate genetic engineering. :-> Cubans also use nuclear power. In any case, it does not make sense to extrapolate from the ec

Cuban Genetic Engineering (was Jesse Lemisch)

> >>So it's not clear whether the real limits of what the earth can >>produce cause the ascetic complex, or whether the ideology comes >>first, a priori, focusing attention on the limits rather than the >>possibilities. What ever became of the notion of planning -- figuring >>out how to accomplis

WTO/AIDS

Monday June 25, 1:34 pm Eastern Time U.S. Withdraws WTO Patents Case U.S. Withdraws WTO Patents Case Against Brazil Over Law to Ensure Cheap AIDS Drugs By NAOMI KOPPEL Associated Press Writer GENEVA (AP) -- The United States has withdrawn a complaint with the World Trade Organization over a law

Jesse Lemisch

>Jesse Lemisch > >[from New Politics, vol. 8, no. 3 (new series), whole no. 31, Summer 2001] > >... I SUPPORTED RALPH NADER FOR PRESIDENT IN 2000. Nonetheless, I >think that in some ways Nader and the Greens offer a bad model for >the future of independent politicsHere is my criticism, first

Re: Re: Current implications for South Africa

Yoshie Furuhashi wrote: >> > >I have yet to browse through the entire issue, but are you pointing >to the following? Yes, sorry, wrong link. It should have been . Lemisch wrote in an earlier NP

Re: Current implications for South Africa

Doug posted: >Yoshie Furuhashi wrote: > >>>I am pretty sure that we can, but it will require *radical* adjustments >>>including: >>> >>>1. overcoming the city-countryside split as called for in the Communist >>>Manifesto. >>>2. elimination of the automobile and jet plane except for extraordinary

Re: California Drought

>If I understand the global warming models correctly, >this situation will be normal in California within a >decade or so. Sending bottled water to farmers may be >"nice" but it's no way to run an economy. Farming is >dead in the far north, for good, apparently. > >tim This is exactly the sort of

Re: California Drought

Tim Bousquet wrote: >If I understand the global warming models correctly Forget about global warming! Alex Cockburn reassures us there's nothing to worry about: . Doug

Re: Current implications for South Africa

>Yoshie Furuhashi >> Mark should stop putting the question as an oft-thwarted attempt at a >> prediction -- e.g., "will energy be available at current requirement >> projections at environmental costs most people can stand and at >> market prices compatible with those particular requirements w

California Drought

If I understand the global warming models correctly, this situation will be normal in California within a decade or so. Sending bottled water to farmers may be "nice" but it's no way to run an economy. Farming is dead in the far north, for good, apparently. tim Siskiyou County running dry Scott

RE: Re: Current implications for South Africa

Yoshie Furuhashi > Mark should stop putting the question as an oft-thwarted attempt at a > prediction -- e.g., "will energy be available at current requirement > projections at environmental costs most people can stand and at > market prices compatible with those particular requirements within a >

Marxism and ecology

Yoshie: >rationing, & many Cubans depend upon access to dollars for >necessities. In fact, it is probably very difficult for any one >nation to reconcile town & country, since the division between town & >country has an international dimension. No kidding. > >And let's not forget that Marx a

Re: Current implications for South Africa

At 11:49 AM -0400 6/25/01, Louis Proyect wrote: >The questions we are dealing with exist on an overarching basis and >have little to do with organizing people. The environmental questions had better be posed with a view to organizing people & pushing for socialism. It appears, btw, that South

Yellow River: Faustian lock-in?

Marshall Berman on Faust 'The Developer' "Suddenly Faust springs up enraged: Why should men let things go on being the way they have always been? Isn't it about time for mankind to assert itself against nature's tyrannical arrogance, to confront natural forces in the name of 'the free spirit t

Economic Reporting Review, 6/25/01

Economic Reporting Review, June 25, 2001 By Dean Baker You can sign up to receive ERR every week by sending a "subscribe ERR" email request to [EMAIL PROTECTED] You can find the latest ERR at http://www.tompaine.com/news/2000/10/02/index.html . All ERR prior to August are archived at http://

Re: Re: recession and real estate prices

Tim is correct. It may be that the continued strength in the Chico real estate market might be from people cashing out ASAP from the Bay Area -- although many of the "refugees" come from the southern part of the state. So, it could be that the strength in the "rural" real estate could be consiste

FT on the slump

Going backwards The optimism about a rapid recovery from the global downturn has begun to dissipate, say Alan Beattie and Peronet Despeignes Published: June 22 2001 18:42GMT | Last Updated: June 22 2001 18:51GMT Edward Robertson, managing director of Peterson Springs UK, is discovering the har

Re: Re: Current implications for South Africa

Yoshie: >Mark should stop putting the question as an oft-thwarted attempt at a >prediction -- e.g., "will energy be available at current requirement >projections at environmental costs most people can stand and at >market prices compatible with those particular requirements within a >capitalis

Re: Re: recession and real estate prices

Tim Bousquet wrote: > > Local realtors and developers have made much out of > the high cost of housing in Chico, demanding, and > getting, a green light on any housing development > whatsoever in the name of "providing low cost housing" > (of course, no one ever tracks the actual prices of > the

Re: Current implications for South Africa

> > Lastly, what happened to the energy question? Are fossil fuels soon >> running out? Are alternative energy sources viable given a chance? >> :-) > >The energy question always runs up against a wall of ignorance, I reckon. As >the question is actually (as Mark never tires of telling us) m

Re: Re: Current implications for South Africa

Yoshie Furuhashi wrote: >>I am pretty sure that we can, but it will require *radical* adjustments >>including: >> >>1. overcoming the city-countryside split as called for in the Communist >>Manifesto. >>2. elimination of the automobile and jet plane except for extraordinary >>reasons. >>3. promot

Re: Current implications for South Africa

Mark says: >The issue is their economic availability to capitalism--and the >price the rest of us pays. Naturally we want to make costs of industrial inputs (fuels included) -- as well as labor power -- dearer to capitalists, monkey-wrenching the circuit of accumulation, hoping to push capita

Re: Re: Current implications for South Africa

> Lastly, what happened to the energy question? Are fossil fuels soon > running out? Are alternative energy sources viable given a chance? > :-) The energy question always runs up against a wall of ignorance, I reckon. As the question is actually (as Mark never tires of telling us) more like:

Re: Re: Re: Re: THE HISTORY OF DEFORESTATION

What you call "forests" in Ontario, we call "weeds" in California. tim --- Ken Hanly <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > No the geography is quite different. I am talking > about areas that were > mostly native grasses relatively flat or gently > rolling hills. The tree > species that settlement let spr

Re: recession and real estate prices

>The collapse of the dot.coms has cut real estate prices in San >Francisco, but the previous momentum is still pushing prices up >in Sacramento -- about 90 miles away. Chico prices -- about 160 >miles from San Francisco -- seem to have leveled out, the >realators in the sauna tell me. Is there m

Re: recession and real estate prices

Local realtors and developers have made much out of the high cost of housing in Chico, demanding, and getting, a green light on any housing development whatsoever in the name of "providing low cost housing" (of course, no one ever tracks the actual prices of the developments). But it's clear to m

Re: Re: Re: THE HISTORY OF DEFORESTATION

No the geography is quite different. I am talking about areas that were mostly native grasses relatively flat or gently rolling hills. The tree species that settlement let spread are different as well mostly quick growing, poplar types. What is called white poplar here or quaking aspen and black p

Re: Re: Current implications for South Africa

Again, this discussion is fraught with too many accusations of and attributions to others on the list. Please cool it. -- Michael Perelman Economics Department California State University Chico, CA 95929 Tel. 530-898-5321 E-Mail [EMAIL PROTECTED]

Re: recession and real estate prices

Is there a parallel between the real estate boom of Silicon Valley in the 1990s and the real estate boom of Miami in the 1920s? If so, I'm very hopeful that I'll be able to pick up some land cheap, real soon. tim --- Michael Perelman <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > The collapse of the dot.coms ha

Re: Current implications for South Africa

Lou says: >People who read Utne Reader, wore Birkenstocks and took >vacations in Costa Rica versus people who concluded from an undialectical >reading of Karl Marx that the inexorable process of capitalist >industrialization paves the way for socialism. In fact the inexorable >process of capitali

recession and real estate prices

The collapse of the dot.coms has cut real estate prices in San Francisco, but the previous momentum is still pushing prices up in Sacramento -- about 90 miles away. Chico prices -- about 160 miles from San Francisco -- seem to have leveled out, the realators in the sauna tell me. Is there much i

Re: Current implications for South Africa

Lou: > >By John's criteria, only the rich who can afford _not_ to eat fast >>food, shop at Wal-Mart, etc. can live morally correct lives. What >>the masses buy is cheap mass products of sweatshop labor; what the >>truly rich buy, in contrast, is expensive products of relatively >>well-paid arti

Re: BLS Daily Report

Richardson_D wrote: "said a senior economist at CIBC World Markets Inc. in Toronto. "When trade is falling in both directions, that is a sign that both domestic and foreign demand are falling." (The New York Times, page C6)." Concise, coherent and cogent. Where would we be without senior econ

BLS Daily Report

> BUREAU OF LABOR STATISTICS, THURSDAY, JUNE 21, 2001: > > Because productivity growth melts away problems of inflation, budget > deficits, unemployment and stagnant income, there is great interest in > knowing whether the upturn reported by the Bureau of Labor Statistics > since the mid-1990's w

BLS Daily Report

> BUREAU OF LABOR STATISTICS, FRIDAY, JUNE 22, 2001: > > The trade deficit in goods and services narrowed 2.7 percent in April as > the global economic slowdown reduced both imports and exports, the > Commerce Department reports. The improvements in the April trade > imbalance came about as tota

Re: Re: Re: Re: Current implications for South Africa

>Lou, if I could do it with a wave of my hand, I would wipe MacDonalds >off the face of the earth. The institution of fast food is undoubtedly >vicious. But attacking _people_ rather than the institutions that >exploit them is just politically stupid. I don't really remember very >well the specifi

Re: Re: Current implications for South Africa

>By John's criteria, only the rich who can afford _not_ to eat fast >food, shop at Wal-Mart, etc. can live morally correct lives. What >the masses buy is cheap mass products of sweatshop labor; what the >truly rich buy, in contrast, is expensive products of relatively >well-paid artisanal lab

Re: Re: THE HISTORY OF DEFORESTATION

> Also, deforestation may eventually result in reforestation. Forest fires >clear very large areas just as much as clear cutting. The forests eventually >regenerate through a progressive series of plant and tree species. Traveling >through a newly burned out area is just as much or more a scene of

RE: response to Mark Jones Post

Ken Hanly: > > > This is a response to a recent post (included) by Mark that I sent to my > son, an economist with the Saskatchewan government. Ken, it's nice to have informed discussion and it would be good if your son could participate. The post you sent him is light on data so no wonder your

RE: Re: Current implications for South Africa

Yoshie: > Is it possible to provide all human beings with food, clean > water, sanitation, shelter, energy, medicine, education, > transportation, etc. that are necessary to meet historically > developed minimum needs (setting aside other needs & desires for the > time being) under socialism? >Or