* The origins of Africa's agricultural failure
Explanations for Africa's agricultural failure tend to be partial and
contradictory.2 The remote past - pre-colonial Africa - is partly to
blame. If there is one 'special characteristic' - apart from huge
variety - of the modes of rural
Mark,
Now you're telling us that Yoshie is a big fan of Zizek? Interesting...
Steve
On Wed, 27 Jun 2001, Mark Jones wrote:
Yoshie Furuhashi wrote:
Unless you explain the process that creates capitalists driven to
M-C-M', sure.
I gave my version, at length: You have to look at the
Blair in clash with unions
No10 meeting fails to heal divisions on reform
Michael White and Nicholas Watt
Thursday June 28, 2001
The Guardian
Tony Blair set himself on a collision course with the leaders of Britain's
trade unions last night after he refused to water down his
plans for a
Gee Mark, I thought it was the sentiment of Robert Brenner perhaps?
Doesn't he say that gold is god in addition to class struggle is not
important? Steve
On Wed, 27 Jun 2001, Mark Jones wrote:
Doug Henwood wrote:
Oh yes, it's much more sensible to give ourselves over the growth in
the
Penners
While I agree with Michael P.'s efforts to head off another retread argument
over the merits of humanitarian intervention, I think there is some useful
new material to be discussed here, and that involves the evolving role and
position of the United Nations.
Putting my cards on the
Michael Keaney says
Of course, now that the Soviet Union no longer exists, the United Nations
is more than ever a tool of territorial and economic ambitions by the USA
and its allies. Put in old-school Marxist terms, the UN is not an
expression of Empire but imperialism. Power grabs by big fish
Yoshie Furuhashi says:
It's best if ecosocialists focus on this aspect of the problem: toxic
chemicals endangering workers' health.
Is this discussion taking account of the fundamentals?
If just the present world population of 5.8 billion people were to live at
current North American
Phyllis Bennis, Calling the Shots, (Olive Branch, 1996):
But however narrow the power-limned goals of the U.S. and its allies
throughout 1945, the stated aims for the new United Nations organization
were wide-ranging and socially ambitious. The Charter declared the
organization and its
Mark Jones:
I guess my problem comes down to not quite believing
that you've etsbalished more than a kind of mentality, a mass or more
properly, an elite psychology which consitututed lock-in: the elites
were trapped not so much by scarcity of capital which could be
diverted from
Tim:
Yes, but doesn't the high-silt content of the river
date back several thousand years at least? Isn't it
pretty much the prehistoric, natural state of the
river?
I agree. It is not about sedimentation per se; it is about the
excessive sedimentation of this River combined with its
Yoshie forwards the following trash from Thomas Friedman:
* The New York Times
May 29, 2001, Tuesday, Late Edition - Final
SECTION: Section A; Page 15; Column 5; Editorial Desk
HEADLINE: Foreign Affairs;
95 to 5
BYLINE: By THOMAS L. FRIEDMAN; Gail Collins is on vacation.
Ever since the
No Welcome For the World In Utah Towns
BY THOMAS BURR [EMAIL PROTECTED]
(c) 2001, THE SALT LAKE TRIBUNE
Tuesday, June 26, 2001
Most city councils have enough to do keeping the streets clean and
safe. Not La Verkin and Virgin. The rural southern Utah towns have
taken on the United
You may know about this than I do, but the current would bring the
silt down to the sea over time. If it just remained at the bottom of
the river, there would be no problem.
I was saying this is not the case because this river carries up to
40, even 60 perceny sediment by weight which is
At 12:19 PM +0300 6/28/01, Keaney Michael wrote:
Putting my cards on the table, I stand with Rob in his assessment that
Gareth Evans is a major improvement on General Wiranto, and that the
intensely worrying events still unfolding in West Timor ought to be
attracting much wider attention than it
It's the nature of capitalism not to allow everyone in the world to
live at current North American ecological standards (say 4.5
ha/person).
Yoshie
This is not exactly true. Even under socialism, it will not be possible to
sustain the following practices:
1. Limitless livestock breeding.
2.
It's the nature of capitalism not to allow everyone in the world to
live at current North American ecological standards (say 4.5
ha/person).
Yoshie
This is not exactly true. Even under socialism, it will not be possible to
sustain the following practices:
1. Limitless livestock breeding.
Yoshie, having gone upmarket with the FT and the Oil and Gas Journal:
Again, it doesn't look like a bad deal for the USA.
=
So? The US is perfectly capable of improvising and making the best of a
second-best outcome, even if that supposedly second-best outcome is in fact
the best for
Yoshie writes:
I'm simply saying that worrying about what will happen if everyone in
the world gets to to live at current North American ecological
standards (say 4.5 ha/person) under capitalism is _absurd_, since
it's _not_ going to happen.
=
You forget the Veblenian point, however,
Michael Keaney wrote:
The UN has
taken the rap for countless failed peace missions, which failed because they
were not properly supported by the countries, led by the US, that supposedly
sponsored them in the first place.
Failed in what sense, though? That UN missions haven't definitively
At 08:18 PM 06/27/2001 -0700, you wrote:
[While CA watches Oprah...]
[from the BBC]
Thursday, 28 June, 2001, 01:29 GMT 02:29 UK
Brazil energy march turns violent
By Tom Gibb in Sao Paulo
I've never watched Oprah for more than a minute, but I've heard that we
should thank our lucky stars that
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2F%7Ensarchiv
http://www.gwu.edu/~nsarchiv/
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1 - 10 of about 12. Search took 0.33 seconds.
The National Security Archive
... Operation Condor
Yoshie writes:
I'm simply saying that worrying about what will happen if everyone in
the world gets to to live at current North American ecological
standards (say 4.5 ha/person) under capitalism is _absurd_, since
it's _not_ going to happen.
=
You forget the Veblenian point, however,
It is much easier for people to believe that some bad individuals or
corporations do evil deeds than to understand systemic problems.
On Thu, Jun 28, 2001 at 06:59:57AM -0700, Jim Devine wrote:
I've never watched Oprah for more than a minute, but I've heard that we
should thank our lucky
At 06:44 AM 06/28/2001 +0100, you wrote:
The argument that comes to mind is that of Schweickart in Against
Capitalism about how investment is a positive sum game largely at the
expense of the non-players.
I have just checked the reference pages 40-41, but do not have time to
type it out or
Michael the K wrote:
The crumbling of the Portuguese empire at this time led the Kissinger State
Department and the CIA to instigate some of the most disgusting foreign
policy ever perpetrated by the US, as civil wars were deliberately created
in Angola (with the creation of UNITA under the
Michael K. wrote:
But East Timor is not the Korean War, and the UN has long ceased to be
synonymous with US foreign policy.
Even the Korean War's use of the UN as a fig-leaf for US intervention was
an exception, the result of the USSR's representative's walk-out from the
Security Council.
We
David Shemano wrote:
Mark Jones and Yoshie Furuhashi ask why Nixon severed the link to gold in
1971. See the attached link entitled Why Nixon Left Gold:
http://www.polyconomics.com/searchbase/01-08-99.html. I make no claim to
being an expert in the specifics. I am certainly not going to
Yoshie Furuhashi wrote:
American suburbia is too low-density to be ecologically sound.
Cities need multi-family dwellings. Besides, it doesn't have
sidewalks. Without cafes, sidewalks, people-watching, you don't
get a feeling of urbanity.
Clearly you're suffering from malignant
Yes, Ricardo, but the silt comes from a wide swath of land. Protect the
land in the hills and the denuded land elsewhere and the silt problem will
subside
Ricardo Duchesne wrote:
You may know about this than I do, but the current would bring the
silt down to the sea over time. If it just
The Importance of Getting Names Right: The Myth of Markets for
Water
William and Mary Environmental Law and Policy Review, Vol.
25, Pp. 317-377, 2000
BY: JOSEPH W. DELLAPENNA
Villanova University School of Law
Document: Available from the SSRN Electronic
suburbia is the most destructive form of habitation. There is a nice
literature on greenbelt cities by Howard, which describes the efficiencies
of linking town and country.
As to backbreaking work -- no -- industrial ag. is backbreaking.
Gardening is not for most people.
You might be
Michael Perelman wrote:
Farmers like workers to bend over. It makes it easy to spot who is
relaxing. If strawberries were grown in raised beds, like you see in some
greenhouses, little bending would be required. But mechanization would
be difficult.
It's been about 55 years since I
David Shemano wrote:
Why does a gold standard guarantee deflation? What exactly do you mean by
that?
Conceptually, why do you think that a gold standard does not allow for the
elasticity of credit that capitalism needs?
How about some gold standard quotes from Das Kapital? I understand Karl
Michael Keaney says:
Yoshie, having gone upmarket with the FT and the Oil and Gas Journal:
Upmarket? You're such a snob, Michael! :-
The integrity of Indonesia was its preferred option,
rather than risk the fragmentation of a multi-ethnic state and thereby all
its investments there, as well
in new jersey, the epitome of urban sprawl, various townships
are considering regulations that disallow one famous and much
desired NJ feature - cul-de-sacs. while homes on cul-de-sacs
are much sought after in the sprawled out mega-developments of
NJ, they, the townships argue, contribute to
G'day Michael,
It is much easier for people to believe that some bad individuals or
corporations do evil deeds than to understand systemic problems.
Importantly true, but that doesn't mean the force of empirical evidence that
has been the last twenty years isn't opening a few eyes.
http://www.anti-imperialist.org/colombia_6-26-01.html
Some weeks ago I mentioned Karl Wittfogel's Oriental Despotism
as a work worth consulting to counter the growing hegemony of
neoclassical economics and its festive re-evaluation of Imperial
China as a society of relatively unrestricted markets. Before we
talk about those markets, one ought
We shouldn't treat the UN as merely a puppet of US foreign policy (as Louis
seems to do, just as he sees the black bourgeoisie in the US as mere
puppets of Nixon).
This is one of those sentences that Michael Perelman says are not necessary.
Louis Proyect
Marxism mailing list:
Clearly you're suffering from malignant alienation. We need to reduce
the human population by 90% and all get back to the land, tilling the
soil from dawn to dusk, literacy a fading memory, and antibiotics
too. Backbreaking work and short lives, but at least we'd be rooted
in soil and place.
Mark Jones wrote:
Yoshie Furuhashi says:
It's best if ecosocialists focus on this aspect of the problem: toxic
chemicals endangering workers' health.
Is this discussion taking account of the fundamentals?
If just the present world population of 5.8 billion people were to live at
current
On Thu, Jun 28, 2001 at 06:59:57AM -0700, Jim Devine wrote:
I've never watched Oprah for more than a minute, but I've heard that we
should thank our lucky stars that people watch it rather than the
alternatives. Maybe there aren't any riots in California about the energy
emergency (and
Incidentally, on the romanticization of agriculture. Biologically modern
humans go back 100,000 years; agriculture 12,000 or so -- it's a late
perversion, like writing. Industry, on the other hand, goes back several
million years. And it is around industry, play, and moving about, not
being stuck
Ask him directly
David C. Schweickart [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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I was communicating with you all, just responding to Dave. I am not a
Who is calling for a dieoff? People are warning about the future, not
applauding it.
On Thu, Jun 28, 2001 at 11:44:13AM -0400, Doug Henwood wrote:
Dieoff indeed. At least Jay Hanson, like Dave Foreman, is honest
about what he sees for the future of the human population. Tell us,
Mark -
I don't think that the issue is romanticizing agriculture. When I came to
Chico I began a food buying co-op -- the food conspiracy. Eventually we
started a number of community gardens around town. I think you have found to
be a pleasant activity. Nobody had to pick strawberries eight hours a
And it is around industry, play, and moving about, not
being stuck like a slug on one plot of land, that human life ought to
be organized. Agriculture by its nature is anti-human, and hence in a
decent society would be radically sub-divided and spread out over the
entire population, like KP
S.K Sanderson (1995) also notes how anthropologists
misappropriated Wittofogel's idea of Oriental Despotism as if it
were a general theory of the *rise of the state*, when he was in
fact examining a specific type of state - Hydraulic - which he
claimed emerged in such regions as ancient
Regarding mechanization, the rise of the farm workers union caused the Univ. of
Calif., Davis to invent the mechanical tomato picker and the hard tomato.
--
Michael Perelman
Economics Department
California State University
[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Chico, CA 95929
530-898-5321
fax 530-898-5901
Many thanks for this, will forwarded home and read it. Wonder if
those conversations are the ones he had with Martin Jay in the
early 70s.
Re: Wittfogel, see Telos #43 in 1980, Conversations With
Wittfogel,
http://www.angelfire.com/biz/telospress/contents43.html and the
book
by G.L. Ulmen.
Murray Bookchin, Re-Enchanting Humanity: A Defense of the Human Spirit
Against Anti-Humanism,
Misanthropy, Mysticism and Primitivism (London: Cassell, 1995). ...
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From: Michael Perelman [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Thursday, June 28, 2001 8:49 AM
At 07:30 AM 6/28/01 -0700, you wrote:
It is much easier for people to believe that some bad individuals or
corporations do evil deeds than to understand systemic problems.
that's right.
Jim Devine [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://bellarmine.lmu.edu/~jdevine
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From: James Hughes [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Thursday, June 28, 2001 8:45 AM
Subject: RE: [ASDnet] from DSA
Who is Michael Perelman?
He is author of Class Warfare in the Information Age and The Invention of
Capitalism: The Secret
Inasmuch as anthropoligists mistakenly attributed to Wittfogel a
general theory of the origins of the state, it was tempting to
overstress trait #2, that is, the village community aspect of the
Asiatic Mode; and thus to somehow reconceptualize this mode as
a transionary mode in-between
Yoshie:
* One of the key characteristics of development, the
demographic transition is the gradual changeover from a demographic
equilibrium of high death rates and high birth rates, characteristic
of pre-industrial society, to a demographic equilibrium of low death
rates and low birth
The Food Conspiracy was an outgrowth of the counterculture
that flourished in San Francisco's Haight Ashbury. The Food Conspiracy was a
...
www.rainbowgrocery.org/collect/history/histext.htm
- Original Message -
From: Michael Perelman [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent:
Regarding mechanization, the rise of the farm workers union caused
the Univ. of
Calif., Davis to invent the mechanical tomato picker and the hard tomato.
--
Michael Perelman
Exactly. Weak cheap labor is a recipe for technological stagnation
even deindustrialization, whereas strong costly
At 10:38 AM 6/28/01 -0400, you wrote:
David Shemano wrote:
Mark Jones and Yoshie Furuhashi ask why Nixon severed the link to gold in
1971. See the attached link entitled Why Nixon Left Gold:
http://www.polyconomics.com/searchbase/01-08-99.html. I make no claim to
being an expert in the
At 10:40 AM 6/28/01 -0400, you wrote:
Yoshie Furuhashi wrote:
American suburbia is too low-density to be ecologically sound. Cities
need multi-family dwellings. Besides, it doesn't have
sidewalks. Without cafes, sidewalks, people-watching, you don't get a
feeling of urbanity.
Clearly
summary: the appeals court in the microsoft case has agreed with
parts of the trial court judgement and disagreed with part of it.
the appeals court rejected the contention that microsoft illegally
attempted to monopolize the browser market and remanded the
contention that it spuriously tied
Michael Perelman wrote:
I don't think that the issue is romanticizing agriculture. When I came to
Chico I began a food buying co-op -- the food conspiracy. Eventually we
started a number of community gardens around town. I think you have found to
be a pleasant activity. Nobody had to pick
I have no idea what traditional societies means to you. I am talking
about how the Blackfoot lived in 18th century Montana. When there was a
particularly brutal winter, some people starved. However, there was such NO
thing as infectious diseases (I am leaving aside smallpox blankets.) That
came
Yoshie Furuhashi wrote:
Diseases existed before capitalism
No, it can't be! It was all egalitarian, peaceful, and idyllic before
we were expelled from Eden, I mean before capitalism ruined
everything. No hierarchy, class, patriarchy, tedium, alienation, or
disease. People sat around the
Joan Gussow, a nutritionist from Columbia U., describes how she does it in
New York. What I said was that primitive society can only support a small
density, I was not recommending a return to hunting and gathering.
Look, I am communicating over the internet. It would be ridiculous of me
to
No, it can't be! It was all egalitarian, peaceful, and idyllic before
we were expelled from Eden, I mean before capitalism ruined
everything. No hierarchy, class, patriarchy, tedium, alienation, or
disease. People sat around the campfire, trading stories, strumming
ur-banjos, and
At 12:45 PM 6/28/01 -0400, you wrote:
will we still have January, or is the calendar a product of bourgeois
alienation that has to be junked to be organic once again?
this reminds me of a student of E.K. Hunt's, who when he heard of a
mathematical mistake in Marx's presentation of the
Michael Perelman wrote:
Joan Gussow, a nutritionist from Columbia U., describes how she does it in
New York. What I said was that primitive society can only support a small
density, I was not recommending a return to hunting and gathering.
Look, I am communicating over the internet. It would
Lou says:
Yoshie:
* One of the key characteristics of development, the
demographic transition is the gradual changeover from a demographic
equilibrium of high death rates and high birth rates, characteristic
of pre-industrial society, to a demographic equilibrium of low death
rates and low
Doug, we do not know the answers to your question. The problem is that
our present course also threatens the lives of innumerable people.
There is a crying need to learn more about this -- something that is made
difficult because so much science depends upon corporate support.
I don't think
As one result, the work force and the wage system changed. In this case,
local
women paid hourly wages to sort machine-picked tomatoes replaced bracero men
who earned piece rate wages to hand-pick tomatoes. According to one account,
Before the tomato harvester, tomatoes were harvested largely by
Doug says:
when I hear people evoking the virtues of pre-capitalist life,
leaving aside issues of historical veracity, I'm really wondering
what these nostalgias mean for what kind of future they'd like to
see.
A barefoot pregnant future for women?
Yoshie
Cf, S. Krech III, The Ecological Indian, W.W. Norton, blurbed by a
member of the Political Ecology Group in S.F., Carolyn Merchant.
Michael Pugliese
- Original Message -
From: Hunter Gray [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Tuesday, May 29, 2001 12:53 PM
Subject: [marxist]
From Pat Bond to Mark Jones:
Finally, the global problem capitalism faces is not
over-accumulation, but a
capital shortage, desperate and bordering on famine.
Ok, this one I will look forward to with interest, comarde.
Aside from Mark, who else is today worrying about capital shortage?
A Complicated War: The Harrowing of Mozambique
William Finnegan
Annotation
Powerful, instructive, and full of humanity, this book challenges the
current understanding of the war that has turned Mozambique-a naturally rich
country-into the world's poorest nation. Before going to Mozambique,
Drought monitor website:
http://enso.unl.edu/monitor/monitor.html
tim
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Louis Proyect wrote,
but once you have your catch, you can eat, drink, fuck and tell stories
around the campfire.
Shucks, and all we ever did was roast marshmallows.
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I have to say, having read over the decision, the Court decision is a pretty
harsh loss for Microsoft given the hopes in the MS camp for complete
reversal. On substantive factual and most law, the Court found that
Microsoft had engaged in illegal actions to maintain its Microsoft monopoly
in
BTW, it's a mistake to conflate the invasion of the
New World by
European germs with the European distribution of
germ-ridden
blankets to the native Americans, as Louis seems to
do. Though the
Europeans did engage in conscious germ warfare, a
lot of the plagues
were spread simply by
I have tried to make this a constant theme in almost everything that I have
written.
Yoshie Furuhashi wrote:
Weak cheap labor is a recipe for technological stagnation
even deindustrialization, whereas strong costly labor pushes
capitalists to innovate
--
Michael Perelman
Economics
J. B. Foster again:
* Other ancient tributary formations declined because of the
same set of environmental factors. In Mesoamerica, Mayan
civilization collapsed around 800 A.D., due in part to extensive
tropical deforestation and erosion. An agricultural crisis thus
appears to have
Louis wrote:
A pre-industrial society? You mean like London in the 14th century with
streets functioning as open sewers, rats running loose, people crowded
together in hovels. This obviously is not what I meant. I was referring to,
for example, life in Mexico City before Cortez which in many ways
Yoshie:
Looking at the rise decline of Mayan civilization allows us to see
the pre-capitalist dialectic of population environment under a
tributary mode of production more clearly than looking at the Aztecs.
No, Yoshie. The classic Mayan civilization had disintegrated long before
the arrival
Lou says:
Yoshie:
Looking at the rise decline of Mayan civilization allows us to see
the pre-capitalist dialectic of population environment under a
tributary mode of production more clearly than looking at the Aztecs.
No, Yoshie. The classic Mayan civilization had disintegrated long before
Jim says:
J. B. Foster again:
* Other ancient tributary formations declined because of the
same set of environmental factors. In Mesoamerica, Mayan
civilization collapsed around 800 A.D., due in part to extensive
tropical deforestation and erosion. An agricultural crisis thus
Nathan Newman wrote:
I have to say, having read over the decision, the Court decision is a pretty
harsh loss for Microsoft given the hopes in the MS camp for complete
reversal.
snip happens
But on the findings of fact that Microsoft committed illegal acts, the
decision was really
Yoshie Furuhashi
The task for the 21st century is to ... modernize agriculture industry
globally
It's only about five minutes ago that you were telling us that this was
impossible and could never happen:
I'm simply saying that worrying about what will happen if everyone in
the world gets to
At 01:51 PM 6/28/01 -0400, you wrote:
From Pat Bond to Mark Jones:
Finally, the global problem capitalism faces is not
over-accumulation, but a
capital shortage, desperate and bordering on famine.
Ok, this one I will look forward to with interest, comarde.
Aside from Mark, who else is
At 11:37 AM 6/28/01 -0700, you wrote:
if everywhere you went
you noticed that half the people you came in contact
with died, wouldn't you feel that maybe you should
stop going places? Whether or not the spread of
disease was an _active_ measure, it certainly was a
_conscious_ one.
right. I doubt
Yoshie Furuhashi wrote:
Weak cheap labor is a recipe for technological stagnation
even deindustrialization, whereas strong costly labor pushes
capitalists to innovate
I have tried to make this a constant theme in almost everything that I have
written.
Michael Perelman
Yes. I recall
Jared Diamond's book, GUNS, GERMS, AND STEEL is pretty good on this stuff.
BTW, it's a mistake to conflate the invasion of the New World by European
germs with the European distribution of germ-ridden blankets to the native
Americans, as Louis seems to do. Though the Europeans did engage in
Doug Henwood wrote:
In the second half of the 19th century, the U.S. was in recession or
depression or panic about half the time. Violent booms alternated
with violent busts. The proletariat was surly and rebellious and even
the bourgeoisie wasn't happy with the situation. Is that what
Yoshie:
Looking at the rise decline of Mayan civilization allows us to see
the pre-capitalist dialectic of population environment under a
tributary mode of production more clearly than looking at the Aztecs.
No, Yoshie. The classic Mayan civilization had disintegrated long before
the arrival
Mark Jones wrote:
Doug Henwood wrote:
Hanson sees mass death; apparently Mark Jones
does too, but he's coy on the details.
You keep repeating this canard, but I'm working on the assumption that
people on this list have enough brains not to take any notice, so I won't
either.
You know,
Yoshie:
Looking at the rise decline of Mayan civilization allows us to see
the pre-capitalist dialectic of population environment under a
tributary mode of production more clearly than looking at the Aztecs.
No, Yoshie. The classic Mayan civilization had disintegrated long before
the arrival
Re: God Is On Our Side.
Thank God They're on Our Side: The United States and Right-Wing
Dictatorships, 1921-1965
David F. Schmitz
University of North Carolina Press
Pub. Date: May 1999
Table of Contents
Acknowledgments
Introduction. Our Sons of Bitches 3
1 Peace Must First Be Riveted: The
- Original Message -
From: Yoshie Furuhashi [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Thursday, June 28, 2001 8:35 AM
Subject: [PEN-L:14188] Re: Cuban Genetic Engineering (was Jesse Lemisch)
It's the nature of capitalism not to allow everyone in the world to
live at current
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From: ravi narayan [EMAIL PROTECTED]
could it be that (sinister tone) this whole thing is being orchestrated
towards a result that will be gained outside the courts? after microsoft
and gates present what many consider a weak defense (to the point of
lacking
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From: Michael Pugliese [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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Sent: Thursday, June 28, 2001 12:34 PM
Subject: Fw: [PEN-L:14277] Re: Re: The Vulnerable Planet (was Re: suburbia)
Just a reminder, in the next few months, try to give a look see to,
The
Ecological
So do you have some good comparative statistics re life expectancy,
stillbirths, etc. in traditional versus modern societies.
And do you think that we should not violently reconstruct traditional
societies by banning such practices as binding women's feet,
clitoral mutilation, widows joyously
Why do we have to choose between wife burning and toxic waste?
On Thu, Jun 28, 2001 at 02:36:03PM -0500, Ken Hanly wrote:
So do you have some good comparative statistics re life expectancy,
stillbirths, etc. in traditional versus modern societies.
And do you think that we should not violently
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