Humanitarian intervention

2001-07-13 Thread Keaney Michael
Chris Burford wrote: A Google search for [Ian Bruce Herald] produced a number of articles suggesting to me that his sources have included a KLA insider, and someone close to George Robertson, now Nato Secretary General. = MK: He does appear to be well connected alright. It's not so clear

Re: oil predictions

2001-07-13 Thread ALI KADRI
In respect to oil there are some observations that were made about the nineties, and these are: World demand is increasing, with third world demand increasing at 2 percent yearly. Refineries are operating at 98 percent capacity, with little new investments. The ratio of new find to reserves was

Re: Re: Crap alert!

2001-07-13 Thread Doyle Saylor
Greetings Econo Mitts, Tom Walker, Too late, Doyle. Rob put in a contender. And we still haven't heard from Jim three bears Devine and Max the tax Sawicky. Doyle Curses thanks Doyle

Re: Re: oil predictions

2001-07-13 Thread ALI KADRI
It seems that my first message did not go through: In respect to oil there are some observations that were made about the nineties, and these are: World demand is increasing, with third world demand increasing at 2 percent. Refineries are operating at 98 percent capacity, with little new

Re: Re: Speaking of volatility

2001-07-13 Thread Doug Henwood
Once again, I have to remark on how weird it is that a bunch of friends of the working class are getting all excited about the prospects for recession, which means the disemployment of millions and lower wages for everyone else. Does the ghost of Andrew Mellon lurk over PEN-L? Doug

Re: Rats abandon ship... pundits spin like mad

2001-07-13 Thread Rob Schaap
The spinmeisters have more work ahead, I reckon. Argentina has slowed its economy to crisis-point by slicing public expenditure in response to a national credit rating that wouldn't allow it to borrow at rates it could afford. Yesterday we heard capital was bolting, and that Brazil has caught

Political Voyeurism (was Re: Speaking of volatility)

2001-07-13 Thread Yoshie Furuhashi
Once again, I have to remark on how weird it is that a bunch of friends of the working class are getting all excited about the prospects for recession, which means the disemployment of millions and lower wages for everyone else. Does the ghost of Andrew Mellon lurk over PEN-L? Doug I think

Re: Re: Re: Speaking of volatility

2001-07-13 Thread Rob Schaap
G'day Doug, Once again, I have to remark on how weird it is that a bunch of friends of the working class are getting all excited about the prospects for recession, which means the disemployment of millions and lower wages for everyone else. Does the ghost of Andrew Mellon lurk over PEN-L?

Re: RE: Re: Re: Speaking of volatility

2001-07-13 Thread Doug Henwood
Mark Jones wrote: Doug Henwood: Once again, I have to remark on how weird it is that a bunch of friends of the working class are getting all excited about the prospects for recession, which means the disemployment of millions and lower wages for everyone else. Does the ghost of Andrew

Re: Re: RE: Re: Re: Speaking of volatility

2001-07-13 Thread Michael Perelman
Nobody is salivating over the prospect of the working class suffer, but it did not do that well during the Clinton boom. But I do relish the downfall of many highly leveraged businesses. I recall your glee at the demise of some of the dot.coms -- a pleasure,which I shared with you. Although

Re: Re: RE: Re: Re: Speaking of volatility

2001-07-13 Thread Rob Schaap
Hi again Doug, Actually I think it's quite relevant to the intellectual and political marginalization of left political economy - it has no analytical vocabulary for talking about good times, If the times are usually good for most people, and sustainably so, well, I wouldn't be a lefty.

Re: Re: Re: Re: Speaking of volatility

2001-07-13 Thread Michael Pugliese
Rob... And, as you're a pal, I'm happy that the reservations you expressed in *Wall Street* might be vindicated at the expense of the credibility of rude critics like that chap on the book's jacket. Alan Abelson, early in his journalistic career, dissed (deliberately misunderstood? or is

Re: Speaking of volatility

2001-07-13 Thread Tom Walker
Doug Henwood wrote, Once again, I have to remark on how weird it is that a bunch of friends of the working class are getting all excited about the prospects for recession, which means the disemployment of millions and lower wages for everyone else. Does the ghost of Andrew Mellon lurk over

Re: Re: Re: RE: Re: Re: Speaking of volatility

2001-07-13 Thread Doug Henwood
Michael Perelman wrote: Nobody is salivating over the prospect of the working class suffer, but it did not do that well during the Clinton boom. But I do relish the downfall of many highly leveraged businesses. I recall your glee at the demise of some of the dot.coms -- a pleasure,which I

Openness and Honesty in Left Politics

2001-07-13 Thread LeoCasey
Justin: I think that you and I have different views on how socialists and radicals of all stripes should participate in large mass movements. I think that openness and honesty is essential, and that it is the failure to be open and honest that leads to trouble, not red baiting. Red baiting

Re: Openness and Honesty in Left Politics

2001-07-13 Thread Doug Henwood
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Pretending that this is not true, in the name of avoiding 'red baiting,' is, in my view, engaging in the type of deception which has haunted the work of the left in the American trade union movement. My understanding is that Solidarity people are extremely coy about

Re: East Timor

2001-07-13 Thread Yoshie Furuhashi
Michael Keaney posted: (Thanks to Alan Bradley on the Marxism list for the following.) The following article appears in the current issue of Green Left Weekly (http://www.greenleft.org.au/): Who gains most from New Timor gap treaty? On July 5, representatives of the East Timor Transitional

Re: Re: Re: Re: RE: Re: Re: Speaking of volatility

2001-07-13 Thread Michael Perelman
Doug, I don't entirely disagree with you, but part of the problem w/ the Asian crisis was that it was localized -- leaving the neoliberal juggernaut relatively unaffected. It was the worst of both worlds -- a crisis with a neoliberal solution. On Fri, Jul 13, 2001 at 12:34:44PM -0400, Doug

Re: Speaking of volatility

2001-07-13 Thread Yoshie Furuhashi
Michael Perelman says: Doug, I don't entirely disagree with you, but part of the problem w/ the Asian crisis was that it was localized -- leaving the neoliberal juggernaut relatively unaffected. It was the worst of both worlds -- a crisis with a neoliberal solution. The 70s was a period of

Re: Re: Speaking of volatility

2001-07-13 Thread Michael Perelman
The 70s were interpreted as a failure of the left, opening the way for a move to the right as a solution. The failure of this decade will be seen as the responsibility of the right. On Fri, Jul 13, 2001 at 01:53:01PM -0400, Yoshie Furuhashi wrote: Michael Perelman says: Doug, I don't

New text in Environmental Econ

2001-07-13 Thread Eban Goodstein
Colleagues, Apologies for the self-promotion. The third edition of my text Economics and the Environment is now out. It has a four-chapter section on the political economy of regulation and also features back-to-back chapter-length presentations of neoclassical and ecological approaches to

Re: RE: Re: Speaking of volatility

2001-07-13 Thread Doug Henwood
Mark Jones wrote: Tom Walker wrote: There IS a cure for blasé indignation. It is called beginner's mind. In the beginner's mind there are many possibilities, but in the expert's there are few. Good stuff, however I fear a return right back to the womb may be necessary in the case of some

Re: Speaking of volatility

2001-07-13 Thread Yoshie Furuhashi
Michael Perelman says: On Fri, Jul 13, 2001 at 01:53:01PM -0400, Yoshie Furuhashi wrote: Michael Perelman says: Doug, I don't entirely disagree with you, but part of the problem w/ the Asian crisis was that it was localized -- leaving the neoliberal juggernaut relatively unaffected. It

Re: Re: Re: RE: Re: RE: Re: RE: Re: Gold

2001-07-13 Thread Christian Gregory
Ditto. - Original Message - From: Michael Pollak [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, July 12, 2001 9:20 PM Subject: [PEN-L:15076] Re: Re: RE: Re: RE: Re: RE: Re: Gold On Thu, 12 Jul 2001, Michael Perelman wrote: David, I am not sure that anybody but you and Jim

Re: Re: Re: Re: RE: Re: RE: Re: RE: Re: Gold

2001-07-13 Thread Michael Perelman
It is helpful to get some [not too much] feedback about what people find useful. Thanks. On Fri, Jul 13, 2001 at 01:22:50PM -0700, Christian Gregory wrote: Ditto. - Original Message - From: Michael Pollak [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, July 12, 2001 9:20

Re: Re: Speaking of volatility

2001-07-13 Thread Michael Perelman
Of course, you are correct. No problem with what you are saying. All too often, liberals are left to implement the final stages of austerity. On Fri, Jul 13, 2001 at 02:20:15PM -0400, Yoshie Furuhashi wrote: If we are to exploit any crisis, what we need is a political program that goes

Glendale to Drink Posioned Water

2001-07-13 Thread Tim Bousquet
Glendale will begin using chromium water Level of chemical, at one part per billion, is within all federal and state health standards. Los Angeles Times - 7/13/01 By Alex Coolman, staff writer GLENDALE -- The city will soon begin delivering to residents drinking water containing minute

Fw:Re:Openness and Honesty in Left Politics

2001-07-13 Thread Michael Pugliese
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/marxist/message/4888 Duh, forget to add the URL link this time to pen-l like I did here, http://groups.yahoo.com/group/marxist/message/4886 http://csf.colorado.edu/pen-l/2001III/ http://csf.colorado.edu/pen-l/2001III/msg00629.html Get some lateral communication going

Gold and the standard of price

2001-07-13 Thread Hinrich Kuhls
Date: Thu, 13 Jan 2000 From: Akira Matsumoto Subject: Gold http://ricardo.ecn.wfu.edu/~cottrell/OPE/archive/0001/0130.html : *-*-*-* I argued in the previous letter that The purchasing power index of gold = the value index of a unit gold/the commodity value

EU must curb riots

2001-07-13 Thread Chris Burford
The cost is being factored in: Senior European Union ministers are meeting to discuss ways to curb riots that have disrupted international conferences recently. Friday's special session of interior ministers from the 15 member states was called in the wake of last month's rioting at the EU

Re: [ASDnet] Fw:Openness and Honesty in Left Politics

2001-07-13 Thread Michael Pugliese
Tarpinian from LRA here Teamsters Enter New Era With 26th Convention (Jul. 9, 2001) By Greg Tarpinian http://csf.colorado.edu/pen-l/2001III/msg00442.html M.Pugliese - Original Message - From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, July 13, 2001 2:18 PM Subject: Re:

Radosh, the Rosenbergs and DSA

2001-07-13 Thread LeoCasey
As long as I letting the fur fly today, let me add a few comments about Radosh and the Rosenbergs. With the promiscuous cross-poster Michael P. around, this e-mail will get back to Radosh himself, one way or another. I am waiting for my copy of Radosh's autobiographical tome _Commies_ to

URPE circular letter about Andrew Kliman

2001-07-13 Thread Alan Freeman
Dear Friend, I am writing to you because I'm concerned about what I consider to be a serious injustice being committed by URPE, the Union for Radical Political Economics, which publishes the Review of Radical Political Economics (RRPE). I believe fundamental issues of principle are involved:

Re: Openness and Honesty in Left Politics

2001-07-13 Thread Justin Schwartz
Leo, we do have different ideas about left organizing. You think is appropriate to spread unsubstantiated, untrue, and potentially damaging rumors, and to call people who call you on it, in effect, liars who want to run subterranean entrist campaigns in mass movements. It may be common

Re: Fw:Re:Openness and Honesty in Left Politics

2001-07-13 Thread Justin Schwartz
the internut was supposed to facilitate non-hierachical discourse mongering...Could throw in some postmodernist lingo ala Hardt and Negri Empire but I'll give that thread a rest... Context? Ask Leo, it was probably started offlist between Leo from DSA and Justin from Solidarity. Leo is at a

Re: Re: [ASDnet] Fw:Openness and Honesty in Left Politics

2001-07-13 Thread Justin Schwartz
Leo, you are a liar or a fool. I never dedied that Soli had any serious Trot history. I don't know what connections are. What I said was that we are not a Trot group and that the specific people imvolved in LN and TDU are not Trots. You either deliberately misrepresented or could not

Hillary Clinton's magic

2001-07-13 Thread Tim Bousquet
http://www.ea1.com/CARP/tiller/index.html Here's a somewhat dated story in the AgBiz Tiller that gives a clear explanation of insider trading in cattle futures, circa 1978, in which Hillary Clinton did her bit of magic. It strikes me that this is exactly what Gene Coyle is talking about when he

Re: Re: Re: [ASDnet] Fw:Openness and Honesty in Left Politics

2001-07-13 Thread Michael Perelman
Whoa. Nobody needs to attribute views to others here; nor to call anybody a liar or a fool. On Fri, Jul 13, 2001 at 11:25:03PM -, Justin Schwartz wrote: Leo, you are a liar or a fool. I never dedied that Soli had any serious Trot history. I don't know what connections are. What I said

Re: Re: Speaking of volatility

2001-07-13 Thread Ken Hanly
Doesnt the new labor legislation in Russia turn back the clock! In the US and Canada it would seem that temporary workers are used to keep full time workers from working overtime at a higher wage. Cheers, Ken Hanly - Original Message - From: Tom Walker [EMAIL PROTECTED] There

Re: Re: Openness and Honesty in Left Politics

2001-07-13 Thread Ken Hanly
Sounds as if Solidarity has been infiltrated by market socialists borrowing from within:) Cheers, Ken Hanly - Original Message - From: Justin Schwartz [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, July 13, 2001 6:06 PM Subject: [PEN-L:15117] Re: Openness and Honesty in Left

Violence Stops Yugoslavia Gay Pride/Depleted Uranium: TheVieques-Kosovo Connection

2001-07-13 Thread Michael Pugliese
http://www.thegully.com/essays/gaymundo/010705gay_yugoslavia.html Had not seen this online publication before. This looks good too, Depleted Uranium: The Vieques-Kosovo Connection, Vieques Movement: Little Engine That Could, http://www.thegully.com/essays/puertorico/010212depleted_uranium.html

Gay-Bashing in the Anti-Bush Movement

2001-07-13 Thread Michael Pugliese
Links to the Honesty on the left thread. Michael Pugliese, my last post for the day...Hooray Go The Masses! http://www.thegully.com/essays/US/politics_2001/010409left_homophobia.html

Re: Re: Re: Re: [ASDnet] Fw:Openness and Honesty in Left Politics

2001-07-13 Thread Justin Schwartz
Michael, he called me, and outfit, a liar and a sneak. He's also redbaiting Soli, LN, TDU, Tarpinian, and LRA, the latter two of whom he respectively called a Commie and CP front. Who's out of line here? Not me, I think. --jks From: Michael Perelman [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: [EMAIL

Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: [ASDnet] Fw:Openness and Honesty in Left Politics

2001-07-13 Thread Michael Perelman
The redbaiting does not belong here. I have not been following everything carefully because I have a book ms. to copyedit --The Pathology of the U.S. Economy Revisited. Even so, I did not think that your response was appropriate. I will try to be more careful in monitoring things. I, for one,

Russia to import Nucelar Waste

2001-07-13 Thread Ken Hanly
Well it has come to pass as Lawrence Summers saith. Russia is underpolluted and is now engaging in a profitable trade in pollution. Cheers, Ken Hanly Christian Science Monitor 3 July 2001 Russia's nuclear-waste gambit A $21 billion cash for trash plan is now before Putin. Critics say it will

Re: Speaking of volatility

2001-07-13 Thread Tom Walker
Ken Hanly wrote: In the US and Canada it would seem that temporary workers are used to keep full time workers from working overtime at a higher wage. Au contraire. Temp workers and part-timers are part of the mix with overtime. More temp and part-time = more overtime. Tom Walker Bowen

Re: Russia to import Nucelar Waste

2001-07-13 Thread Michael Perelman
Geoff Rothwell says that the Russian deal will not work because they are charging too much and will only hold the stuff for 20 years. On Fri, Jul 13, 2001 at 11:20:55PM -0500, Ken Hanly wrote: Well it has come to pass as Lawrence Summers saith. Russia is underpolluted and is now engaging in a

Re: Re: Speaking of volatility

2001-07-13 Thread Michael Pugliese
I temped for about 6 years. Occasionally, I was told by the secretaries or lower level mgrs. esp. cynics in banking and financial services, how much Wells Fargo or whoever was paying the agency . For a $10 an hr. assignment, they were paying $15. For $12, they were paying $18-20 on up.

Re: Re: Speaking of volatility

2001-07-13 Thread Ken Hanly
Do you have the figures? Why is this the case do u think? I guess my remark about the new Russian labor law is true though. Cheers, Ken Hanly - Original Message - From: Tom Walker [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, July 13, 2001 10:55 PM Subject: [PEN-L:15129] Re: