G'day all,
If it's any easier, I've a rightly unheralded blog dawdling fitfully
along at
http://blogorrhoea.blogspot.com/
and would be honoured to put up anything penpals might like to write for
the common weal.
Er, as long as no technical knowledge other than cutting and pasting is
required
Washington Post, Monday, August 12, 2002
Water's Flow From Private Hands
Thirsty, Growing States Turn to New Sources to Meet Demand
By William Booth
CADIZ, Calif. -- This is one big, dry state, and Keith Brackpool wants to
slake its thirst.
The politically connected British wheeler-dealer
There is already a liberated Kurdistan. I saw a piece --
forgot where -- about the advisability of federalism for
a reconstructed Iraq. That suggests the piecemeal approach
that you allude to.
Inside the U.S. as far as I can see there is zero meaningful
opposition to an invasion. The main
Justin accidentally sent an article to the list. Ravi sent this
note to me:
i see this problem crop up every now and then where someone wants
to
share a document with the list. in the future, if you wish, folks
can just email me the doc and i can put it up for HTTP/FTP
download
on the web and
Greetings Economists,
Louis Proyect wrote,
We have the same requirement today that existed in Russia in 1902 and
in the USA in the 70s and 80s, namely to unite scattered Marxist
circles and individuals. Understandably, there is a certain amount of
gunshyness among Elbaum's generation. The idea of
Title: serious news
from Slate's summary of the front pages of major US newspapers, both on the subject of obesity:
The NY [TIMES] briefly mentions the latest tensions in the Mideast:
Israel lodged a protest with Egypt after the Israeli press
reported that Egyptian President Hosni Mubarak
Asked during a news conference in Argentina this week why Latin Americans
were increasingly rejecting the magic recipe of privatization, lower
tariffs and increased foreign investment, Treasury Secretary Paul H. O'Neill
replied, I have no idea. When it was suggested to him that such policies
were
Louis wrote:
We have the same requirement today that existed in Russia in 1902 and
in the USA in the 70s and 80s, namely to unite scattered Marxist
circles and individuals.
If that is the case, I wonder why he isn't a member of the Fourth
International, Solidarity and dozens of other groups
Jurriaan:
If that is the case, I wonder why he isn't a member of the Fourth
International, Solidarity and dozens of other groups who argue the same
thing. The reason why those groups in the 1970s etc. failed politically
was precisely because they thought that Marxism (whatever that is
Backlash in Saudi Arabia
By Nawaf Obaid
LONDON - As revealed in a recent front-page story in The Washington Post,
Briefing Depicted Saudis as Enemies, neoconservatives in the US are
gaining a wider audience for their attempts to demonize Saudi Arabia.
Such jingoistic talk runs counter to the
Title: RE: [PEN-L:29353] Re: Re: Max Elbaum To Speak In Sacramento On SocialMovement History
what is Stalinophobia? does its rejection mean that we should embrace Stalinophilia?
Jim Devine [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://bellarmine.lmu.edu/~jdevine
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From: Louis
what is Stalinophobia? does its rejection mean that we should embrace
Stalinophilia?
Jim Devine [EMAIL PROTECTED]
http://bellarmine.lmu.edu/~jdevinehttp://bellarmine.lmu.edu/~jdevine
Stalinophobia? I would consider the following as signs of the problem in
ATC, a publication that is put
Michael, what do you mean when saying Marx began Capital with a stageist
flourish - are you referring to the 1859 Preface ? I think Stedman Jones
must be correct in stressing the importance of campaigning for reforms, but
he is surely wrong in saying that the only alternative is reformism. It
Title: RE: [PEN-L:29356] Re: RE: Re: Re: Max Elbaum To Speak In Sacramento On So cialMovement History
I don't know about these specific cases, so I'd like to hear what the ATC people say about them.
In any event, these points don't answer my question: is there a diffference between the
Title: RE: [PEN-L:29357] Reform-ism
what stageist flourish is that?
Marx says that the British case represents the future of the rest of Europe (at the time), but that's hardly stageist. All it says is that he sees capitalism as spreading from the UK to the rest of Europe, as indeed it
Jim Devine:
In any event, these points don't answer my question: is there a
diffference between the Stalinophobia that Louis decries and (say) the
view that Stalin was a bloody dictator who helped establish the rule by a
new stratum or class that would fight like hell to preserve their power
Title: stalinophobia
[was: RE: [PEN-L:29360] Re: RE: Re: RE: Re: Re: Max Elbaum To Speak In Sacramen to On So cialMovement History]
I don't see how inaccurate criticism (if that's what Rappaport did) of FARC has anything to do with Stalin or Stalinophobia. FARC isn't Stalinist or
Jurriaan Bendien wrote:
Louis wrote:
We have the same requirement today that existed in Russia in 1902 and
in the USA in the 70s and 80s, namely to unite scattered Marxist
circles and individuals.
We are still in the 1890s (Russia) 1950s (US). It is important to
remember that WITBD was
Title: learning from history
RE: [PEN-L:29362] Re: Re: Max Elbaum To Speak In Sacramento On SocialMovementHistory
Carrol: Actually, analogies don't help much. Learn from History is a
capitalist not a marxist slogan. What one learns from history is best
represented by what the French General
I don't see how inaccurate criticism (if that's what Rappaport did) of
FARC has anything to do with Stalin or Stalinophobia. FARC isn't Stalinist
or Stalinophilic, is it?
Of course it has something to do with hatred of Stalin. The FARC leaders
are all veteran Stalinists, but they never set
The stageism I had in mind was the De te fabula narratur. [I can type
in Latin]
Marx, as we have discussed numerous times, also supported reforms without
reformism.
On Mon, Aug 12, 2002 at 06:28:06PM +0200, Jurriaan Bendien wrote:
Michael, what do you mean when saying Marx began Capital with
I think Stalinophobia means an unreasonable refusal to support Milosovic
and an incorrect refusal to recognize that the Yugoslav regime from 1990-98
represented a last bastion of socialism. What this has to do with anything
that is relevant today, I don't know. I personally regard Stalin as a
Title: RE: [PEN-L:29365] Re: Reform-ism
Despite working indirectly for the Roman Catholic Church, I don't read (or speak!) Latin. The Penguin edition translates this as The tale is told of you. What it says to me in context is that Germans of Marx's day can learn a lot about their future from
Jim, at the time he saw the spread as inevitable, but later he recognized
that countries, such as Russia could follow a different course.
On Mon, Aug 12, 2002 at 11:53:34AM -0700, Devine, James wrote:
what stageist flourish is that?
Marx says that the British case represents the future of
guaranteed flame bait???
On Mon, Aug 12, 2002 at 08:45:09PM +, Justin Schwartz wrote:
I think Stalinophobia means an unreasonable refusal to support Milosovic
and an incorrect refusal to recognize that the Yugoslav regime from 1990-98
represented a last bastion of socialism. What this
It seems to me that attacking something called Stalinphobia is more
the flame bait.
Michael Perelman wrote:
guaranteed flame bait???
On Mon, Aug 12, 2002 at 08:45:09PM +, Justin Schwartz wrote:
I think Stalinophobia means an unreasonable refusal to support Milosovic
and an incorrect
Michael is quite right. I just don't see any real evidence of Marx arguing
for stage-ism, in the sense of a necessary sequence of stages of
development. He just says that the more developed capitalist country shows
the less developed capitalist country an image of its own future. That is a
My comment is flamebait, and Jim's isn't. Care to explain? jks
From: Michael Perelman [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: [PEN-L:29369] Re: Stalinophobia
Date: Mon, 12 Aug 2002 14:35:41 -0700
guaranteed flame bait???
On Mon, Aug 12, 2002 at 08:45:09PM
Jurriaan Bendien wrote:
stagist way, I suppose). But Trotsky argues no different, he makes
the same argument but then in terms of unequal and combined
development. I've just been rereading some chapters of his history of
the Russian revolution. Boy, was that guy bright or what. Must
Michael,
I am not sure I agree with you. Appended is an article about the attempt (by the US) to 'Stalinize' Milosevic.
Paul Phillips,
Economics,
University of Manitoba
Date sent: Mon, 12 Aug 2002 14:35:41 -0700
From: Michael Perelman [EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To:
Dear All,
I refer those of you who don't know about this recently
discovered psychic condition called Blogorrhoea to the web page
of Rob Schaap. The address of his page is below:
http://blogorrhoea.blogspot.com/
I had been in Turkey until yesterday and before I left for Turkey
in early July, I
The Economic Times
Sunday, August 11, 2002
Japanese firms cutting pension benefits: report
REUTERS
TOKYO: Declining investment returns are forcing a growing number of Japanese
companies to cut pension benefits, according to a government survey reported
in the financial daily Nihon Keizai
Monday, Aug. 12, 2002
Lawyers Group May Endorse Cloning
By ANNE GEARAN Associated Press Writer
WASHINGTON (AP) - The nation's largest lawyers' group will decide
this week whether to endorse cloning to advance human health, while
condemning government intervention that would make criminals of
Despite the permanent loss of 25 percent of the original footage,
movie-goers can now see a version of Fritz Lang's Metropolis that is
faithful to the 1927 version. This dystopian tale of downtrodden workers
living deep beneath an ultra-modern city built through their labor
includes many
Jurriaan Bendien wrote:
Michael is quite right. I just don't see any real evidence of Marx arguing
for stage-ism, in the sense of a necessary sequence of stages of
development. He just says that the more developed capitalist country shows
the less developed capitalist country an image of its
I think one can offer a definition of stalinophobia (and though I've
never heard the term used, of stalinophilia also). Both consist of the
assumption that labelling a political position Stalinist eliminates
the need for further thought. To avoid both it is also important not
even to accept
Someone once proposed -- I think they pronounce it a law -- that once the
word Hitler appears in the debate all dialogue is finished. If that idea
is a law, a Stalin corollary is warranted.
--
Michael Perelman
Economics Department
California State University
Chico, CA 95929
Tel. 530-898-5321
- Original Message -
From: Michael Perelman [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Monday, August 12, 2002 7:24 PM
Subject: [PEN-L:29381] Re: Re: Re: Re: Stalinophobia
Someone once proposed -- I think they pronounce it a law -- that
once the
word Hitler appears in the debate
Greetings Economists,
Melvin P replies to my thoughts,
Melvin,
Welcome to the heat tank.
Doyle,
Sounds like the hot pot for fresh email posters. ;-)
Melvin,
His use of the words sectarianism and cult are in my estimate
justifiable historically.
And also Melvin writes,
Suffice it to state that
Title: Stalinophobia
Michael Perelman writes:Someone once proposed -- I think they pronounce it a law -- that once the word Hitler appears in the debate all dialogue is finished. If that idea is a law, a Stalin corollary is warranted.
I don't think so.
One reason why Hitler the Nazis
[Jim Devine is PK gettin' that old time progessive law and economics
gestalt going, what's with the multiple turns of phrase? When
will we he go after the tax code as a tool for deconstructing
corporate america?]
August 13, 2002
Clueless in Crawford
By PAUL KRUGMAN
Today, in its Waco
An update on the final New Zealand election result.
Labour has formed a coalition with the PCP (foregone conclusion) with
the support in confidence and supply of the economic right/moral
conservative United Future Party outside the government. The Greens are
signing some kind of agreement
The actual law was that the first person to bring up Hitler was
automatically the loser of the debate. Since no one mentioned Stalin
until LP brought it up, does that mean this applies to him?
Michael Perelman wrote:
Someone once proposed -- I think they pronounce it a law -- that once the
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