Re: Western Rationality

2002-10-14 Thread Yoshie Furuhashi
At 8:01 PM -0700 10/13/02, Sabri Oncu wrote: I should reiterate that the reason why western rationality is in quotation marks is because it is not the same thing as scientific thinking. Exactly. This is why I had western rationality in quotation marks in my post that started this

Re: Re: Re: Re: What is science

2002-10-14 Thread Carrol Cox
ken hanly wrote: There is no such Platonic argument. Thrasymachus in the Republic argues this and gets a good trouncing for doing so at the hands of Socrates. Where do you think that PLATO argues this? Or do you think that Thrasymachus is actually Plato in the Republic. That is an

RE: Mark Jones replies to Edward George on Welsh nationalism

2002-10-14 Thread Davies, Daniel
Pobol Annwn! Sut fath o lol 'di hyn, 'te? Be wnawn ni efo'r tomen o sbwriel gordeimladwy 'ma, rwan? As an actual (as, in Welsh-speaking) Welshman and a native of Ynys Mon, I cannot quite put words to what it was that made the local farmer lie to Mark, although if he was one of the bollockheads

Re: US, Khaddafy, and ObL

2002-10-14 Thread Charles Jannuzi
A more interesting question is, assuming that the US could have prevented 9-11 from happening, what happened in the national security state from 1998 to 2001 that led up to the conditions that allowed 9-11 to happen. Direct blowback theory: that Al Qaeda people infiltrated a covert

Re: US, Khaddafy, and ObL

2002-10-14 Thread Charles Jannuzi
And then there is the alleged meetings between Atta and an Iraqi diplomat in Prague. The US government was real keen on the story when it was thought to show links between Hussein and Al Qaeda terrorists, but now they disavow the story. Funny though, the Czechs don't. What if Atta had indeed

Mark Jones replies to Edward George on Welsh nationalism

2002-10-14 Thread Louis Proyect
I read this with deep interest and gratitude. It is a wonderful article, and I say this for both personal and political reasons. I plan to respond to the politics in the next few days. But now I refer only to the personal. My family comes from rural North Wales, in the heartland of historical

reductionism vs. radical holism

2002-10-14 Thread Devine, James
Title: reductionism vs. radical holism [was: RE: [PEN-L:31338] Re: RE: Western Rationality] I wrote: Lewontin and Levins (in their DIALECTICAL BIOLOGIST) argue against the Enlightenment version of science. They see the world as heterogeneous, involving a large number of parts that are

RE: Re: campus anti-war movements

2002-10-14 Thread Devine, James
Title: RE: [PEN-L:31353] Re: campus anti-war movements I wasn't thinking that the draft was the _only_ cause of the anti-war movement in the U.S., only a crucial one. Resentment toward the power of the hegemon encouraged anti-war movements in other countries, such as Japan.

Oil Economics Lubricates Push for War

2002-10-14 Thread Bill Lear
Thomas Ferguson forwarded this story to me. It was published in yesterday's LA Times (Sunday, October 13). Bill Oil Economics Lubricates Push for War The U.S. may be smacking its lips over the financial benefits expected from a regime change, but the price could be enormous. By

Re: RE: Western Rationality

2002-10-14 Thread joanna bujes
At 08:01 PM 10/13/2002 -0700, you wrote: To put it differently, is there a unique order relation that partially orders the universal set? Yes. They call it Nature. And, as Aristotle said, Nature IS order. The guiding question in science has been How do you read/interpret that order? The answer

Re: Query: planned obsolescence

2002-10-14 Thread Dan Scanlan
Thiago asked... Could anyone help me out with early references to planned obsolescence, specially in the auto industry? When did the debate on this erupt? Did it ever? What is some good reading? Thanks for asking this question. I wish I could remember where I read years ago that General

RE: Western Rationality

2002-10-14 Thread Sabri Oncu
Joanna wrote: To put it differently, is there a unique order relation that partially orders the universal set? Yes. They call it Nature. And, as Aristotle said, Nature IS order. No objection to that Joanna, nor to almost anything else you said. But, yours is a different concept of order. I

Re: Western Rationality

2002-10-14 Thread Sabri Oncu
To put it differently, is there a unique order relation that partially orders the universal set? Money. -- Yoshie Now Yoshie, I will show that you are wrong by establishing a contradiction: Clearly, money defines an order relation that partially orders the universal set. Suppose now that

war deflation

2002-10-14 Thread Devine, James
Title: war deflation Deflation is a bigger threat than Saddam Larry Elliott Monday October 14, 2002 The Guardian [UK] Military action by the United States against Iraq seems inevitable. Having won the support of both houses of Congress last week, George W Bush will now step up his

Re: Re: Query: planned obsolescence

2002-10-14 Thread topp8564
Thanks everybody! I am currently writing a Master's thesis about social movements in Papua New Guinea, some of which are known as 'cargo cults'. The planned obsolescence and positional consumtion stuff seems very relevant in terms of understanding what's left out of the contrasts made by

Re: Re: Query: planned obsolescence

2002-10-14 Thread michael perelman
Here is a section that relates to planned obsolescence from my book, Transcending the Economy. A good deal of our consumption is what Fred Hirsch, following Veblen, described as positional; in other words, consumption that is supposed to signal our status to others (Hirsch 1976). Enhancement

Re: Western Rationality

2002-10-14 Thread Charles Jannuzi
--- joanna bujes [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: At 08:01 PM 10/13/2002 -0700, you wrote: To put it differently, is there a unique order relation that partially orders the universal set? Yes. They call it Nature. And, as Aristotle said, Nature IS order. The guiding question in science has

Re: war deflation

2002-10-14 Thread Charles Jannuzi
There might some simple method to the madness. Hussein is the ultimate capitulation issue. The US might use trade liberalization to beggar Europe and E. Asia, but its trade--like its military policies--is increasingly go it alone. I suspect the National Security Council has a deflation

Islamic banking in Houston

2002-10-14 Thread Ian Murray
Hangin' with James Baker http://www.ruf.rice.edu/~elgamal/files/primer.pdf As we shall see, many of the conventional financial tools available in North America [and most of the rest of the world] are legally prohibited in Islam.

En Banc Hearing on Steps Toward Recovery in Telecom Industry

2002-10-14 Thread Sabri Oncu
This may be of interest to some: http://www.fcc.gov/enbanc/100702/ Sabri