Re: unproductive labour and social capital

2002-11-01 Thread Chris Burford
At 31/10/02 15:24 -0500, e. ahmet tonak wrote: Devine, James wrote: [was: RE: [PEN-L:31729] RE: Re: RE: Sweezy's occ\Shaikh] In a private message, Michael Perelman opens a can of worms: unprod. labor seems an appropriate subject. - We (Sungur Savran and myself --and obviously Anwar

Re: Now for the real fight over Iraqi oil

2002-11-01 Thread Charles Jannuzi
--- Charles Jannuzi [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: BP's interests in all this are fairly obvious. 1. They have been a buyer of Iraqi oil post-sanctions, and would like to increase the amounts they buy. 2. Russian oil companies have moved into Iraq, both for marketing to the west and for

RE: Re: Now for the real fight over Iraqi oil

2002-11-01 Thread Mark Jones
Charles Jannuzi wrote: And I forgot to say: Kuwaiti interests own 10% of BP. Who owns Kuwait? Mark

Re: RE: Re: Now for the real fight over Iraqi oil

2002-11-01 Thread soula avramidis
the british east india company. because all the sheikhdoms were formed as an antidote to piracy in the persian gulf and indian ocean at the behest of BEI by the crown. trying to connect this is a test Mark Jones [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Charles Jannuzi wrote: And I forgot to say: Kuwaiti

sectarians and anti-war demos

2002-11-01 Thread Devine, James
Title: sectarians and anti-war demos From an article from the current L.A. WEEKLY, on the San Francisco anti-war demonstration: Following the Flags in San Francisco by Steven Mikulan ... Lately, another kind of debate has swirled around the doctrinaire beliefs of the anti-war movement's

against lesser of two evils

2002-11-01 Thread Devine, James
Title: against lesser of two evils I know this guy's on some people's hate-list, but this column is useful. BTW, I'm thinking that when faced with lesser of two evils, we should eliminate the middle man and vote for Satan. Jim NOVEMBER 1 - 7, 2002/L.A. WEEKLY Dissonance No

Re: against lesser of two evils

2002-11-01 Thread Louis Proyect
Marc Cooper wrote: My vote will go to Green Party candidate Peter Camejo. Not because of anything particularly alluring about Camejo (whom I find kind of out to lunch) or about the Greens (whom I find increasingly to be little more than sentimental amateurs). But it seems to me that the real

Jamie Galbraith on Brazil

2002-11-01 Thread Michael Perelman
http://www.levy.org/docs/pn/02-2.html -- Michael Perelman Economics Department California State University Chico, CA 95929 Tel. 530-898-5321 E-Mail [EMAIL PROTECTED]

RE: Re: FW: unproductive discussion

2002-11-01 Thread Devine, James
Title: RE: [PEN-L:31735] Re: FW: unproductive discussion I've read this before; it's good. I guess I didn't make it clear what I was talking about. The distinction between P and UPL is very clear in theory, but often fuzzy in practice, especially when indirect productivity is acknowledged.

Ecuador/FTAA

2002-11-01 Thread Ian Murray
Published on Friday, November 1,2002 by the Associated Press Thousands Protest Free Trade Talks in Ecuador by Edison Lopez Thousands of demonstrators marched in Ecuador's capital Thursday to protest free trade talks scheduled for Friday, setting off clashes at police barricades. Police fired

Re: Re: Turkey-Iraq

2002-11-01 Thread Doug Henwood
Sabri Oncu wrote: The official unemployment is around 11% as far as I know. It is based on a work force of roughly 25 million and which means that officialy the rest of the nation are not actively seeking work. So, officially we have about 2.8 or so million unemployed in a population of 68

Krugman blisters Pitt's sorry butt

2002-11-01 Thread Bill Lear
And a few others while he is at it. Bill The Pitt Principle By PAUL KRUGMAN NY Times, November 1, 2002 So Harvey Pitt decided not to tell other members of the Securities and Exchange Commission a small detail about the man he had chosen to head a crucial new accounting oversight board,

Roach on Asia

2002-11-01 Thread Ian Murray
Global: Asia Is Now a Zero-Sum Game Stephen Roach (from Shanghai) Apart from China, there is no dynamism in Asia these days. At the end of a two-week Asian tour, I am struck by a grim sense of foreboding that is evident throughout this once vibrant region. While the growth story in China is

tranfer pricing redux

2002-11-01 Thread Ian Murray
Phony Prices May Hide Import-Export Profits From IRS By Jonathan Weisman Washington Post Staff Writer Friday, November 1, 2002; Page E01 Razor blades imported from Britain for $113 apiece. Tweezers from Japan for $4,896 each. Cut rubies from Burma for $38,192 per carat. And for U.S. trading

Re: Re: Re: Turkey-Iraq

2002-11-01 Thread e. ahmet tonak
Mostly in the informal sector, which is huge, and agriculture. Regarding the informal sector we all know that there are some many measurement related problems. However, one of my former students from Middle East Technical University is currently writing his thesis on this topic at UMass and I

Re: Turkey-Iraq

2002-11-01 Thread Sabri Oncu
Ahmet wrote: I would never take the figures that Sabri used, i.e. 11% unemployment rate or the labor force, seriously. They are literally harmful! We are in complete agreement. My rule of thumb when it comes to official Turkish numbers is to use a huge fudge factor. In the case of

Re:Tonight

2002-11-01 Thread joanna bujes
Slight change of plans for tonight. As it turns out, tonight is the one night that the dance performance will start at 9 p.m. That shouldn't be too late for the kids, so we can still go see that. There's also going to be a huge light show, which the kids should enjoy. AND, I did buy three

Re: Re:Tonight

2002-11-01 Thread joanna bujes
Oooops. Sorry about that everyone; the email was meant to go to Sabri. Joanna At 10:54 AM 11/01/2002 -0800, you wrote: Slight change of plans for tonight. As it turns out, tonight is the one night that the dance performance will start at 9 p.m. That shouldn't be too late for the kids, so we

Re: Notes on Turkish film

2002-11-01 Thread Sabri Oncu
The plot is completely Byzantine, as befits the culture that Mustafa Kemal tried so hard to stamp out. It mostly consists of one kung fu fighting sequence after another as the two heroes of the film, including Arkin in a Han Solo type role, dispatch their evil enemies. Obviously lacking a

Re: Jamie Galbraith on Brazil

2002-11-01 Thread Ian Murray
- Original Message - From: Michael Perelman [EMAIL PROTECTED] == For a complementary take: http://www.brazil.ox.ac.uk/workingpapers/dePaula28.pdf Expansion Strategies of European Banks to Brazil and their Impacts on the Brazilian Banking Sector The paper aims at

Re: Re: Re:Tonight

2002-11-01 Thread ravi
joanna bujes wrote: Oooops. Sorry about that everyone; the email was meant to go to Sabri. what, we cant come to the show too? what's so special about sabri except that he is an internet consulting millionaire dabbling in economics? ;-) --ravi

Re:Tonight

2002-11-01 Thread Sabri Oncu
Ravi wrote: what, we cant come to the show too? what's so special about sabri except that he is an internet consulting millionaire dabbling in economics? ;-) Hey. I am not a millionaire. My son keeps asking me when we will become millionaires but with a crazy dad like me, he will have to wait

RE: Re: Re: Re: Turkey-Iraq

2002-11-01 Thread Devine, James
Title: RE: [PEN-L:31755] Re: Re: Re: Turkey-Iraq On the other hand, if Turkey has a weak unemployment insurance system (and a weak welfare state in general), it's extremely hard for anyone to survive while being unemployed. So they are driven to the informal sector or agriculture to survive.

Re: Re: Re: Re:Tonight

2002-11-01 Thread joanna bujes
In order to come to the show...or to hang out with all the sexy belly dancers I know, you and Divya have to pony up some $$ to Jet Blue...and I'll pick you up at the airport...you...youspoiled Brahmin you... Love, Joanna At 03:16 PM 11/01/2002 -0500, you wrote: joanna bujes wrote:

Re: Roach on Asia

2002-11-01 Thread Peter Dorman
I'm still trying to book up on this topic, but it seems to me that China's entry into the export-led growth game has been a crucial factor for many years now, and probably played a contributing role in the 97 financial crisis. Export-led growth of the east asian variety has always been zero or

Re: Turkey-Iraq

2002-11-01 Thread Sabri Oncu
Jim wrote: how's my font? Your font is beautiful. Sabri

Re: sectarians and anti-war demos

2002-11-01 Thread Louis Proyect
Devine, James wrote: From an article from the current L.A. WEEKLY, on the San Francisco anti-war demonstration: Following the Flags in San Francisco by Steven Mikulan ... Lately, another kind of debate has swirled around the doctrinaire beliefs of the anti-war movement's organizers.

RE: Re: against lesser of two evils

2002-11-01 Thread Devine, James
Title: RE: [PEN-L:31747] Re: against lesser of two evils From: Louis Proyect [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Interesting that Cooper uses the same perspective writing about either Camejo, Chomsky or the Pacifica protest movement. They are held up under his microscope to see if they are

Re: RE: Re: against lesser of two evils

2002-11-01 Thread Louis Proyect
Devine, James wrote: it seems to me that there's no force in the world that has the legitimate right to decide who and who does not have the right to judge the left. Even when such judging is off-the-wall, we on the left should be conscious of the critiques. When I write, Did anybody ever

Re: Re: RE: Re: against lesser of two evils

2002-11-01 Thread joanna bujes
At 05:21 PM 11/01/2002 -0500, you wrote: Yes, and he should have stayed away from that batty Frieda Kahlo as well. Hell, he didn't even get a portrait out of it. Joanna

Notes on Turkish film

2002-11-01 Thread Louis Proyect
While none of the other films I saw during the Fourth Annual Turkish Film Festival achieved quite the artistic level of the comic masterpiece Sergeant Shakespeare, all of them were useful windows into the complex reality of a country that stands right now as a crucible between two powerful

housing bubble

2002-11-01 Thread Michael Perelman
I understood that unemployment in construction rose last month or that emploment went down. Could this be a sign? Also, I saw a notice in the Wall Street Journal that GM says that even 0% financing isn't moving cars. Maybe we better hurry up and invade. -- Michael Perelman Economics Department

Re: Re: Re: RE: Re: against lesser of two evils

2002-11-01 Thread Carl Remick
From: joanna bujes [EMAIL PROTECTED] At 05:21 PM 11/01/2002 -0500, you wrote: Yes, and he should have stayed away from that batty Frieda Kahlo as well. Hell, he didn't even get a portrait out of it. Joanna No, not of himself. Instead, he was honored in a more characteristically

RE: Re: sectarians and anti-war demos

2002-11-01 Thread Devine, James
Title: RE: [PEN-L:31768] Re: sectarians and anti-war demos I wonder if Corn worries about leftish Democratic Party politicians who participate in such movements. (I doubt that he does.) Just like the Maoists, etc., they have their own agendas and try to sway the movement to fit them. The

Re: RE: Re: sectarians and anti-war demos

2002-11-01 Thread Louis Proyect
Devine, James wrote: I wonder if Corn worries about leftish Democratic Party politicians who participate in such movements. (I doubt that he does.) Just like the Maoists, etc., they have their own agendas and try to sway the movement to fit them. The agendas are different (and more

Re: RE: Re: against lesser of two evils

2002-11-01 Thread Peter Dorman
"Devine, James" wrote: > This is not principled politics. It is > old-fashioned liberal pragmatism. so are you saying that Leon Trotsky should have rejected any connection with John Dewey, because he was the leader of liberal pragmatism? Jim As a fan of Dewey in his more radical moments (see

Microsoft court ruling[s]

2002-11-01 Thread Ian Murray
http://news.findlaw.com/legalnews/documents/index.html#microsoft

More Bubble Watch

2002-11-01 Thread Perelman, Michael
Title: More Bubble Watch Sabri forwarded this: Top Financial News 11/01 16:26 U.S. Economy: Payrolls Fall, Manufacturing Shrinks (Update2) By Siobhan Hughes and Carlos Torres Washington, Nov. 1 (Bloomberg) -- The U.S. unemployment rate rose to 5.7 percent in October from 5.6 percent a

Reply:Your laugh for today: A Psychiatrist's rejoinder PEN-L digest 320

2002-11-01 Thread Deborah
Hello, I have been a silent lurker here on this list learning and reading with interest discussions of various political and economic subject matters while considering whether or not to resume studies in the direction of economics. When I saw the posting of Bush's Pseudopoem of 'Bushisms' as