Re: Re: Iskenderun actions

2003-03-18 Thread soula avramidis
that is ok you can keep them, just do not get so nationally worked up, take a little more as well, no prob dude. sorry for the spelling Sabri Oncu [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: soula avramidis: I am sure you know that they are 1938 arabs in antioch and iskendarun.I don't know what antioch is and your

Uneasy G.I.s Speak Their Peace

2003-03-18 Thread Yoshie Furuhashi
* Uneasy G.I.s speak their peace By RICHARD SISK DAILY NEWS STAFF WRITER AL JABER AIR BASE, Kuwait - Many of the U.S. troops poised for battle here would give peace a chance if they had the choice. Doubts about going to war can be heard openly in conversations among the troops gathered in

Re: Re: Iskenderun actions

2003-03-18 Thread Sabri Oncu
that is ok you can keep them, just do not get so nationally worked up, take a little more as well, no prob dude. sorry for the spelling I don't understand what no prob dude means. Could you please explain? Best, Sabri

Re: Re:Iskenderun Statement from Rachel Corrie's parents

2003-03-18 Thread soula avramidis
It means no probelm it seems my son picked that up on tv Subject: Statement from Rachel Corrie's parents March 16, 2003 "We are now in a period of grieving and still finding out the details behind the death of Rachel in the Gaza Strip. We have raised all our children to

American ground troops already in Turkey?

2003-03-18 Thread Paul Zarembka
Yesterday I read one sentence that said that U.S. ground troops were illegally passing through Turkey. This morning a Canadian news broadcast I heard claimed the same, and also that a military coup in Turkey is possible. Any information on these reports from anyone on this list? Paul

Re: Re: centralizaton

2003-03-18 Thread Nomiprins
In a message dated 3/17/2003 11:29:51 PM Eastern Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Small banks earn from the interest rate differentials; presumably, large banks from fees. But why would banks pay a premium for the small banks? What sort of fees would they generate? As the article

Re: Iskenderun Statement from Rachel Corrie's parents

2003-03-18 Thread Carrol Cox
Here is the Statement more usefully formatted. Carrol Subject: Statement from Rachel Corrie's parents March 16, 2003 We are now in a period of grieving and still finding out the details behind the death of Rachel in the Gaza Strip. We have raised all our children to appreciate the

war and the economy

2003-03-18 Thread Michael Perelman
Housing starts are collapsing; consumer spending seems to be sagging. The economy is in big trouble. This war will not do anything to help, yet the stock market is positive. Will Bush sell the tax cut to support the troops? Has any member of Congress spoken up against this war? I saw

RE: war and the economy

2003-03-18 Thread Devine, James
Title: RE: [PEN-L:35708] war and the economy the best way to support the troops is to bring them home, now. Jim Devine [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://bellarmine.lmu.edu/~jdevine stop the war now! -Original Message- From: Michael Perelman [mailto:[EMAIL

Re:Iskenderun Statement

2003-03-18 Thread Sabri Oncu
soula: It means no probelm it seems my son picked that up on tv Thanks for the clarification.

The countries in the anti-Iraq coalition

2003-03-18 Thread Paul Zarembka
WASHINGTON (AP) - Following is a list of 30 countries the State Department says are members of a Coalition for the Immediate Disarmament of Iraq: Afghanistan, Albania, Australia, Azerbaijan, Bulgaria, Colombia, Czech Republic, Denmark, El Salvador, Eritrea, Estonia, Ethiopia, Georgia, Hungary,

RE: The countries in the anti-Iraq coalition

2003-03-18 Thread Devine, James
Title: RE: [PEN-L:35711] The countries in the anti-Iraq coalition WASHINGTON (AP) - Following is a list of 30 countries the State Department says are members of a Coalition for the Immediate Disarmament of Iraq: Afghanistan, Albania, Australia, Azerbaijan, Bulgaria, Colombia, Czech

Re: The countries in the anti-Iraq coalition

2003-03-18 Thread k hanly
Portugal is not pro-invasion nor Kuwait nor Israel? Korea = South Korea I should imagine! Why is Denmark pro-invasion? Cheers, Ken Hanly - Original Message - From: Paul Zarembka [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]; Graduate Group in Marxist Studies [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday,

A new international situation

2003-03-18 Thread Louis Proyect
LA Times, March 18, 2003 NEWS ANALYSIS Washington on Brink of a New Era The rift over Iraq may signal the U.S.' desire to end constraints of post-WWII alliances. By Ronald Brownstein, Times Staff Writer WASHINGTON -- For 50 years, the United States has pursued its foreign policy goals

Rachel Corrie's last emails

2003-03-18 Thread Louis Proyect
February 27 2003 (To her mother) Love you. Really miss you. I have bad nightmares about tanks and bulldozers outside our house and you and me inside. Sometimes the adrenaline acts as an anesthetic for weeks and then in the evening or at night it just hits me again - a little bit of the

quiet... too quiet

2003-03-18 Thread Devine, James
Title: quiet... too quiet pen-l is very quiet today. Is it because Fatherland Security Minister Tom Ridge has raised the alert level to burnt umber? Jim Devine [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://bellarmine.lmu.edu/~jdevine

Re: quiet... too quiet

2003-03-18 Thread e. ahmet tonak
Organizing takes time. Devine, James wrote: pen-l is very quiet today. Is it because Fatherland Security Minister Tom Ridge has raised the alert level to burnt umber? Jim Devine [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://bellarmine.lmu.edu/~jdevine http://bellarmine.lmu.edu/%7Ejdevine Karl Marx, 1857,

Re: quiet... too quiet

2003-03-18 Thread Michael Perelman
I would add to Ahmet's remark that I am still in a state of shock, rage On Tue, Mar 18, 2003 at 03:39:29PM -0800, Devine, James wrote: pen-l is very quiet today. Is it because Fatherland Security Minister Tom Ridge has raised the alert level to burnt umber? Jim Devine [EMAIL PROTECTED]

535 members of Congress and ...

2003-03-18 Thread Paul Zarembka
5. Of the 535 members of Congress, only one (Sen. Johnson of South Dakota) has an enlisted son or daughter in the armed forces!... [Michael Moore at www.alternet.org/story.html?StoryID=15406 ] Paul Z. *** Confronting 9-11,

white scarf

2003-03-18 Thread Dan Scanlan
Subject: Wearing a White Scarf for Peace Wear a White Scarf Around Your Neck, On Your Back Pack, or Fly a White Flag On Your Car A spontaneous war protest has started in Montreal after a popular radio host here announced that Mrs. George W Bush had canceled a meeting with a group of women at

Re: Re: quiet... too quiet

2003-03-18 Thread Bill Lear
On Tuesday, March 18, 2003 at 16:00:28 (-0800) Michael Perelman writes: I would add to Ahmet's remark that I am still in a state of shock, rage OK, you whining left-wing Libruls! What would you propose we do???! Question: how would lifting sanctions help the people of Iraq? Would it all be

Re: quiet... too quiet

2003-03-18 Thread Yoshie Furuhashi
On Tuesday, March 18, 2003 at 16:00:28 (-0800) Michael Perelman writes: I would add to Ahmet's remark that I am still in a state of shock, rage Encouraging words from Thomas L. Friedman: Our strongest ally for war in Iraq is Bulgaria - a country I've always had a soft spot for, because it

Re: Re: Re: quiet... too quiet

2003-03-18 Thread Ian Murray
- Original Message - From: Bill Lear [EMAIL PROTECTED] On Tuesday, March 18, 2003 at 16:00:28 (-0800) Michael Perelman writes: I would add to Ahmet's remark that I am still in a state of shock, rage OK, you whining left-wing Libruls! What would you propose we do???! Question:

Japanese Shields Hold Out in Iraq, More to Join Later

2003-03-18 Thread Yoshie Furuhashi
* Japanese `shields' hold out in Iraq The Asahi Shimbun Thirty-five Japanese are still in Iraq, including five so-called human shields, Foreign Ministry officials said Tuesday in Tokyo. Of the 35, 17 are classified as members of the media, six represent nongovernmental organizations, two

Re: quiet... too quiet

2003-03-18 Thread Peter Dorman
I am quiet on this list because I am struggling to catch up with my work after two days of personal devastation following the news about Rachel Corrie. Everyone who was active about anything here in Olympia knew this woman and what she stood for. It is a terrible loss. Peter Devine, James

RE: Re: Re: quiet... too quiet

2003-03-18 Thread Devine, James
Title: RE: [PEN-L:35719] Re: Re: quiet... too quiet Bill writes: OK, you whining left-wing Libruls! What would you propose we do???! heck, no one asked me (perhaps partly because I ain't a Librul). The powerful folks -- the Bastards of Bush -- don't care what I think. I don't have any

Polls etc.

2003-03-18 Thread k hanly
D.C. Dispatch | 2003.03.18 | Schneider D.C. Dispatch | March 18, 2003 Political Pulse A Worldwide Tide of Anti-Bush Feeling The president's black-and-white vision is regarded as dangerously simplistic by William Schneider

Saddam's apparatus of terror will shatter the whole world view of the left

2003-03-18 Thread Ian Murray
Dilemmas of war It is entirely consistent to be against this invasion - yet hope for a speedy victory in the interests of the Iraqis Jonathan Freedland Wednesday March 19, 2003 The Guardian These will be dark days for everyone. Darkest for those caught up in combat - whether they are the

Re: The countries in the anti-Iraq coalition

2003-03-18 Thread Yoshie Furuhashi
Title: Re: The countries in the anti-Iraq coalition At 9:53 AM -0800 3/18/03, Devine, James wrote: WASHINGTON (AP) - Following is a list of 30 countries the State Department says are members of a Coalition for the Immediate Disarmament of Iraq: Afghanistan, Albania, Australia, Azerbaijan,

Re: Saddam's apparatus of terror will shatterthe whole world view of the left

2003-03-18 Thread Carrol Cox
Ian Murray wrote: It's true that anti-war movements have sometimes made the mistake of failing to support troops exposed to danger. The treatment of US soldiers returning from duty in Vietnam - often ostracised as if personally responsible for that tragedy - is a shaming example. THis

Re: Saddam's apparatus of terror will shatter thewhole world view of the left

2003-03-18 Thread Eugene Coyle
This line in the Freedland story: The treatment of US soldiers returning from duty in Vietnam - often ostracised as if personally responsible for that tragedy - is a shaming example. is a problem. It is a claim repeated and repeated by the pro-war Vietnam crowd, but a claim that I don't

Re: Re: UNSUBSCRIBE (and shop at THE GAP!)

2003-03-18 Thread Lisa
Title: Re: [PEN-L:35694] Re: UNSUBSCRIBE (and shop at THE GAP!) A bot! I am NOT A BOT!! Just because I shop at THE GAP does not mean I am a BOT!!! You've been hanging out with the J.C. Penny's crowd for too long, Sabri. Perhaps you need a new look. Hey! THE GAP is having a big sale this

how about a digest?

2003-03-18 Thread Lisa
Ok, if it is so darn hard to unsubscribe me, can I just have my pen-l mail condensed or something? Maybe pre-digested? That way, instead of getting mucked up in the email, I can get on with more important things...like shopping at the gap. Lisa

Re: Re: Saddam's apparatus of terror will shatterthe whole world view of the left

2003-03-18 Thread Martin Hart-Landsberg
This issue has been dealt with in an excellent book by Jerry Lembcke entitled the Spitting Image. In this book he examines the origins of the myth of vietnam vets being spat upon. He followed up every charge and could find no substantiation. He writes about the development of the myth and the

Re: Re: The countries in the anti-Iraq coalition

2003-03-18 Thread soula avramidis
there are of course 15 countries that are secretly supporting the US, these are: many arab states, including syria, and one asian state Iran.Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Platinum - Watch CBS' NCAA March Madness, live on your desktop!

Re: Re: Re: Saddam's apparatus of terror will shatter the whole world view of the left

2003-03-18 Thread soula avramidis
let us be pragmatic here, mind you i hate the word. if saddam kills more than the US, I am against him, and vice versa. start counting as of now. goDo you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Platinum - Watch CBS' NCAA March Madness, live on your desktop!

Re: war and the economy

2003-03-18 Thread Waistline2
In a message dated 3/18/03 7:43:47 AM Pacific Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Housing starts are collapsing; consumer spending seems to be sagging. The economy is in big trouble. This war will not do anything to help, yet the stock market is positive. Will Bush sell the tax cut to

Re: Saddam's apparatus of terror will shatter the whole world view of the left

2003-03-18 Thread k hanly
So the doctrine of superior orders is excusing. Generating poor morale among soldiers would be bad. And wont a speedy painless victory be a positive reinforcement for the policy of extending US and allies' might globally? What we should hope for is mega allied deaths. In a sense they are not our

Re: Saddam's apparatus of terror will shatter the whole world view of the left

2003-03-18 Thread Chris Burford
Jonathan Freedland is broadly speaking a good progressive journalist. I suggest unless any others of those who have contributed on this thread object, you forward these mails to him (perhaps even including Carrol's to indicate the strength of the concern, but also the factual evidence such as