Re: RES: [PEN-L] RES: [PEN-L] RES: [PEN-L] God: a socialist view

2003-08-26 Thread Mike Ballard
We create the concepts. Ideas fetter the imagination when that relation is forgotten or reversed. Mike B) --- Renato Pompeu [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Atheism, marxism-leninism, trotskyism and most forms of marxism are other forms of religion. Little marxism and few marxists were scientific as

virus alert

2003-08-26 Thread Dan Scanlan
A new, fast moving virus was first reported in Singapore and reports from Asia indicate that it is the fastest replicating virus to date. It attacks any computer connected to the internet whether the machine is on or off and quickly identifies electronic funds accounts of virtually any kind. The

Re: virus alert

2003-08-26 Thread joanna bujes
A joke? Joanna Dan Scanlan wrote: A new, fast moving virus was first reported in Singapore and reports from Asia indicate that it is the fastest replicating virus to date. It attacks any computer connected to the internet whether the machine is on or off and quickly identifies electronic funds

LTCM, five years on

2003-08-26 Thread Eubulides
Five years on from the hedge of disaster The industry is bigger than ever, but have the factors that brought down LTCM really gone away? Nils Pratley Tuesday August 26, 2003 The Guardian Five years ago the world's financial system was in danger of collapse. Long-Term Capital Management (LTCM),

Re: Sad Story

2003-08-26 Thread Mike Ballard
Give her time to mature. At least you know what you want. She just seems tired of dim bulbs in the Whitehouse. Perhaps more concentration on the System and less on particular personalities is the direction more of our dialogues should go. Good on ya, Mike B) --- andie nachgeborenen [EMAIL

Re: Sad Story

2003-08-26 Thread joanna bujes
Awww, Justin, she's 13. This is why there's a point to education. She thinks this because relative to her lived experience, Clinton does represent a liberal Golden Age. She thinks this because nowadays the idea that a worker is to have any rights or claims at all is labeled communism in the mass

Re: Sad Story

2003-08-26 Thread Eubulides
- Original Message - From: andie nachgeborenen [EMAIL PROTECTED] On a long car trip today, I discussed politics with my almost-14 year old daughter, and the Clintons came up as a topic. She said she'd vore for Hilary cause she's smart. I said I didn't like them because they knew

scapegoating China, again

2003-08-26 Thread Eubulides
[any guesses as to how much of this is intra-firm trade?] [New York Times] August 26, 2003 U.S. Job Losses Blamed on China's Currency By ELIZABETH BECKER and EDMUND L. ANDREWS WASHINGTON, Aug. 25 - With unemployment high and American manufacturers reeling from three years of misery,

Re: Sad Story, happy story

2003-08-26 Thread Jurriaan Bendien
So that is how things look to a smart 13 year old. Old style liberalism is communism. Clintonism is the far limit of the possible. Are we fucked, or what? And not in the nice way. In my post getting there I referred to millions of reasons for failure. I'd say that, if in the mind of your 13

American Splendor

2003-08-26 Thread Louis Proyect
Last night I saw American Splendor, the much heralded semi-documentary feature on Harvey Pekar, the Cleveland file clerk who turned his life into a comic book. It is a fine movie that is true to the vision of the artist himself, who rejects all the blandishments of bourgeois society. Of course, as

Re: Sad Story

2003-08-26 Thread Waistline2
In a message dated 8/25/03 8:22:20 PM Pacific Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Like what, she said. I said, like full employment, national health, no striker replacement. Oh, she said, you mean _communism._ Like Ralph Nader. So that is how things look to a smart 13 year old. Old style

Re: American Splendor - the view from Italy

2003-08-26 Thread Jurriaan Bendien
(The Italians usually use a few more flowery words than I do, sorry) The single thought has produced its own brand of intellectuals, who have occupied the cultural industry, media and TV. But it is also producing a series of antibodies in an intellectual critique, deriving from the malaise of the

Re: Sad Story, happy story

2003-08-26 Thread andie nachgeborenen
I'd say that, if in the mind of your 13 year-old daughter, communism is identified with old-style liberalism (libertarianism in some sense ?) and with Ralph Nader then, probably, we're doing well. In America, liberal does not mean what it does in Europe, i.e. pro-market right wing Hayekian

She's leaving home

2003-08-26 Thread Jurriaan Bendien
Cyber love leads Down Under August 27, 2003 A Welsh woman told her husband and son she was going to the shop, then boarded a flight to Australia to be with a man she met on the internet. Margaret Fiore, 40, has now been granted permanent residency status in Australia and says she has no regrets

pay gap USA, redux

2003-08-26 Thread Eubulides
http://www.ufenet.org/press/2003/EE2003_pr.html PRESS RELEASE FROM UNITED FOR A FAIR ECONOMY INSTITUTE FOR POLICY STUDIES Embargoed until 12:01 am, Tues. August 26, 2003 Contact: Betsy Leondar-Wright (617) 423-2148 x13 Labor Day Executive Excess Report: CEOs Profit from Layoffs, Pension

Re: Sad Story, happy story

2003-08-26 Thread Jurriaan Bendien
That is why it is dispiriting to see a smart kid write liberal off as communist. And write off is the right term: communist means (for my daughter) unworkable, utopian, tired, stupid, disproven, losing, hopeless. I don't feel any different from your daughter in many ways, except that I have

Re: Sad Story

2003-08-26 Thread Devine, James
in the spirit of the current era, hit her upside the head a few times and she'll come around. Jim Devine [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://bellarmine.lmu.edu/~jdevine -Original Message- From: andie nachgeborenen [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, August 25,

keep the troops there?

2003-08-26 Thread Devine, James
Beware the bluewash The UN must not let itself be used as a dustbin for failed American adventures George Monbiot Tuesday August 26, 2003 The Guardian The US government's problem is that it has built its foreign policy on two great myths. The first is that it is irresistible; the second is that

Re: Sad Story

2003-08-26 Thread David B. Shemano
Justin writes: On a long car trip today, I discussed politics with my almost-14 year old daughter, and the Clintons came up as a topic. She said she'd vore for Hilary cause she's smart. I said I didn't like them because they knew what was right and did the wrong thing. Like what, she said.

Re: Sad Story

2003-08-26 Thread Doug Henwood
David B. Shemano wrote: Your daughter is correct. If you read the 10 policy measures set forth in the Communist Manifesto to a modern liberal, the liberal would think you are reading from the Democratic Party platform. You should declare victory and go celebrate. Really? These are: 1.

Intellectual Property Question

2003-08-26 Thread joanna bujes
This is really more for Mr Perleman, but if anyone else has something to contribute, feel free. Reply to list or offlist. I'm thinking of writing a book called The Art of Software Technical Writing. Problem is, I work for a large tech firm as a tech writer and would like to make sure that there

Re: critique of Monbiot

2003-08-26 Thread Jurriaan Bendien
Monbiot says in the title of the Guardian article Jim posted, The UN must not let itself be used as a dustbin for failed American adventures. I do not know if he contributed that title himself, or if this is a Guardian edit, but anyway what does it mean ? It occurs to me that the UN has frequently

Re: Sad Story

2003-08-26 Thread Sabri Oncu
Your daughter is correct. If you read the 10 policy measures set forth in the Communist Manifesto to a modern liberal, the liberal would think you are reading from the Democratic Party platform. You should declare victory and go celebrate. David Shemano Are these the measures you are