Leftists and Electoral Politics Re: California recall results

2003-10-08 Thread Yoshie Furuhashi
At 2:02 AM -0500 10/8/03, Lou Paulsen wrote: Everyone knew it was going to be Schwarzenegger or Davis or maybe Bustamante. It's the old story: a vote for the 'third party' is a 'wasted vote' unless you know ahead of time who is going to win, in which case you have the luxury of casting a 'protest

Reinforcements Unlikely

2003-10-08 Thread Yoshie Furuhashi
* Reinforcements unlikely Even if nations alter stance on Iraq, forces committed elsewhere By Ann Imse, Rocky Mountain News October 8, 2003 The NATO conference in Colorado Springs this week is unlikely to produce the news that tens of thousands of Coloradans would like to see: A promise that

Re: Leftists and Electoral Politics Re: California recall results

2003-10-08 Thread Jurriaan Bendien
A third party on the left in an electoral system like the United States' can never rise to power without a prior collapse of the political party controlled by the ruling class that had captured working-class votes (the Democratic Party, in the case of the United States). We'll see about

The Great Society

2003-10-08 Thread Louis Proyect
NY Observer, Oct. 8, 2003 Seinfelds Dumb Porsche-Haus by Ron Rosenbaum Jerrys Garage. Jerrys Porsche-haus. I didnt believe it until I saw it with my own eyes. Id read about it here in The Observer a year or so ago and immediately went into a state of denial. No. Jerry Seinfeld cant be just

Re: Leftists and Electoral Politics Re: California recall results

2003-10-08 Thread Mike Ballard
--- Jurriaan Bendien [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: A third party on the left in an electoral system like the United States' can never rise to power without a prior collapse of the political party controlled by the ruling class that had captured working-class votes (the Democratic Party, in

Re: internet infrastructure investment data

2003-10-08 Thread Kendall Clark
On Tue, Oct 07, 2003 at 08:33:52PM -0700, Doyle Saylor wrote: Doyle, Couple of things, while for you the term moron is simply a label that indicates you think Shirky is not interesting, for me as a disability rights advocate I find the term anti-disabled. If you read Stephen Jay Gould's

Bus 174

2003-10-08 Thread Louis Proyect
I saw this film at Lincoln Center New Directors festival this year. It opened today at the Film Forum in NYC. I strongly urge New Yorkers to see it and to look for it in your own city. --- Bus 174 On June 12, 2000 a drugged-out, pistol-brandishing 22 year-old Afro-Brazilian named Sandro de

California Dreaming

2003-10-08 Thread Michael Perelman
It's too early to tell if the recall will turn out badly. For example, Proposition 54 -- the racial ignorance proposition -- failed because it Bustamante got millions of dollars for his campaign, which the courts ruled to be illegal. He turned the money over to the anti-proposition 54 campaign,

Re: Leftists and Electoral Politics Re: California recall results

2003-10-08 Thread Jurriaan Bendien
Best just to be a revolutionary and try to develop soldarity where you can, at work, in the streets and everywhere you go. Sure, vote for whomever you like, but nobody is going anywhere until the working class organizes to take power for itself. Thanks for your advice, but I am not

Re: California Dreaming

2003-10-08 Thread Devine, James
Driving to work to day, I heard a US National Public Radio reporter suggest that der Gropenführer's resistable rise will have a big effect on the California Republican Party. I think she's right. The Cal-GOPs are a bunch of right-wing sectarians (with a lot of money, so that they're not as

Re: internet infrastructure investment data

2003-10-08 Thread ravi
Kendall Clark wrote: On Tue, Oct 07, 2003 at 10:16:51PM -0400, ravi wrote: But there is an idea floating around geekdom that the Web works (in the sense that it scales 5B+ documents, something which no one really expected) because of various purely technological ideas... i could use some

Re: Leftists and Electoral Politics Re: California recall results

2003-10-08 Thread Devine, James
At 2:02 AM -0500 10/8/03, Lou Paulsen wrote: Everyone knew it was going to be Schwarzenegger or Davis or maybe Bustamante. It's the old story: a vote for the 'third party' is a 'wasted vote' unless you know ahead of time who is going to win, in which case you have the luxury of casting a

Re: California Dreaming

2003-10-08 Thread Eugene Coyle
When Arnold finishes his term, California will have had Republican governors for 19 of 24 years. The state likes Republican governors. Gene Michael Perelman wrote: It's too early to tell if the recall will turn out badly. For example, Proposition 54 -- the racial ignorance proposition --

Re: internet infrastructure investment data

2003-10-08 Thread ravi
ravi wrote: snip I mean that the dominant ideology among the geek set (well, large chunks of it anyway, it's probably not more monolithic than any other subculture) is strong right libertarian, especially on the issue of where technology comes from. It's *not* a David Noble-friendly part of the

Re: Leftists and Electoral Politics Re: California recall results

2003-10-08 Thread Carrol Cox
Devine, James wrote: the real action has to involve the development of a mass movement of the left, something that will never come from the DP. Only when there's a working-class movement outside of the electoral arena will the political balance shift back in the human direction.

Re: internet infrastructure investment data

2003-10-08 Thread Kendall Clark
On Wed, Oct 08, 2003 at 11:54:43AM -0400, ravi wrote: could you point me to some sources? i find it very surprising that technical people believe that changes to HTTP can be the sole cause of performance gains (especially given that caching, which indeed does, at great cost, distribute load,

Re: internet infrastructure investment data

2003-10-08 Thread joanna bujes
No, I mean hackers. Obviously it's not a monolithic set of attitudes beliefs. There are obviously pockets of leftie hackers and geeks. But I still stand by my claim that the dominant ideology is right libertarian. I'm thinking of the Slashdot crowd, Eric Raymond and his hangers-on, and the

Re: Leftists and Electoral Politics Re: California recall results - reply to Jim

2003-10-08 Thread Jurriaan Bendien
the real action has to involve the development of a mass movement of the left, something that will never come from the DP. Only when there's a working-class movement outside of the electoral arena will the political balance shift back in the human direction. Jim We had this whole dispute

Re: California Dreaming

2003-10-08 Thread Ellen Frank
Liberal Massacusetts has had a Republican governor since Dukakis embarrassed himself in 1988. People vote for Republicans in part to rein in the corrupt Democratic machine that controls the state legislature. One thing worse than a two-party political system is a one-party system. Ellen Frank

oscar wilde on socialism?

2003-10-08 Thread Michael Hoover
below was posted to another list... michael hoover The statement The trouble with Socialism is too many meetings, is frequently attributed to Oscar Wilde. A Google search has turned up several attributions of the statement, but no formal citations. It does not appear in my editions of the Oxford

Why Schwarzenegger won

2003-10-08 Thread Louis Proyect
Counterpunch, October 9, 2003 A Black Day for Democracy Schwarzenegger and the Failure of the Dems By DAVID LINDORFF The election of Arnold Schwarzenegger as governor of America's largest state represents a kind of milestone in the decline of American democracy. This is not Reagan II, the Movie,

Re: California Dreaming

2003-10-08 Thread Yoshie Furuhashi
At 8:04 AM -0700 10/8/03, Michael Perelman wrote: It's too early to tell if the recall will turn out badly. For example, Proposition 54 -- the racial ignorance proposition -- failed because it Bustamante got millions of dollars for his campaign, which the courts ruled to be illegal. He turned the

Re: oscar wilde on socialism?

2003-10-08 Thread Jurriaan Bendien
Sorry, all I know about that one, is the bit by Bob Dylan, Oh Mama, can this really be the end To be stuck here with my mobile phone With the Memphis blues again J.

Re: California Dreaming

2003-10-08 Thread Jurriaan Bendien
One thing worse than a two-party political system is a one-party system. Ellen Frank Disagree, haha. What is worse is when you have a one party system, or a two party system, but the government simply disregards any party in what it does, such that, for example, just a few people decide the

Re: oscar wilde on socialism?

2003-10-08 Thread Frederick Emrich, Editor, info-commons.org
I don't have any source, but the quote I recall (and one that sounds much more like Wilde) was the problem with Socialism is that it takes up too many spare evenings. I'd love to hear the exact quote, of course. Frederick Emrich, Editor commons-blog (http://info-commons.org/blog/) RSS Feed:

Re: oscar wilde on socialism?

2003-10-08 Thread Devine, James
it sounds like a response to Albert Hahnel's participatory economy. Jim Devine [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://bellarmine.lmu.edu/~jdevine I don't have any source, but the quote I recall (and one that sounds much more like Wilde) was the problem with Socialism is that it

Re: internet infrastructure investment data

2003-10-08 Thread ravi
joanna bujes wrote: (I thought HTTP was big because it could get you through fire walls, but ravi, please correct me if I'm wrong. no, you are quite right -- HTTP is/was used as a fallback transport for various applications (such as audio/video streaming), even though it was not well-suited

She'll be coming round the mountain when she comes

2003-10-08 Thread Jurriaan Bendien
It is difficult to quantify, but from spending much time there, my estimate would be that the typical Swiss spends perhaps 50 to 75 percent more time per week than a comparable Western European adult on civic, church, and other volunteer activities, and say 25 to 35 percent more than a typical

The Guardian viewpoint on re-establishing economic equilibrium in California

2003-10-08 Thread Jurriaan Bendien
By far the most economically sensible thing to do would be to raise property taxes (...) voters consider Proposition 13 [still] to be sacrosanct, whatever state law says about balancing budgets. (...) Mr Schwarzenegger['s] margin for manoeuvre is extremely limited. California very much depends on

Re: Allen Barra defends Limbaugh's football comments

2003-10-08 Thread Michael Hoover
has yogi berra had anything to say on matter...

Re: Allen Barra defends Limbaugh's football comments

2003-10-08 Thread joanna bujes
Uh, he's still alive? I quote him all the time :) (mostly to myself.) Joanna Michael Hoover wrote: has yogi berra had anything to say on matter...

Re: Allen Barra defends Limbaugh's football comments

2003-10-08 Thread Devine, James
I saw Yogi in an ad on TV recently. go Cubs! Jim Devine [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://bellarmine.lmu.edu/~jdevine -Original Message- From: joanna bujes [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, October 08, 2003 2:41 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re:

Re: Allen Barra defends Limbaugh's football comments

2003-10-08 Thread Eubulides
- Original Message - From: Devine, James [EMAIL PROTECTED] I saw Yogi in an ad on TV recently. go Cubs! = ...and they give you cash, which is almost as good as money!

Yogi

2003-10-08 Thread joanna bujes
* This is like deja vu all over again. * You can observe a lot just by watching. * He must have made that before he died. -- Referring to a Steve McQueen movie. * I want to thank you for making this day necessary. -- On Yogi Berra Appreciation Day in St. Louis in 1947.

Modern Times, Ancient Hours (Pietro Basso)

2003-10-08 Thread Yoshie Furuhashi
Pietro Basso, _Modern Times, Ancient Hours: Working Lives in the Twenty-first Century_: http://www.versobooks.com/books/ab/b-titles/basso_modern_times.shtml Pietro Basso: http://helios.unive.it/~philo/basso.html Jonathan Sterne's review of _Modern Times, Ancient Hours_:

Re: internet infrastructure investment data

2003-10-08 Thread Doyle Saylor
Greetings Pen-'Ellers, Well KGC's response was just fine. No need to pursue anything in my view, however, I found some nuggets or tidbits of Telecom stuff here and there in my notes so I'll pass it along assuming that it might find some interest for KGC. Tidbits about Telecoms from here and

Dr. Doom

2003-10-08 Thread Eubulides
New world disorder It's 30 years since oil prices soared and monetarism triumphed - and there could be more upheaval to come Larry Elliott, economics editor Thursday October 9, 2003 The Guardian Some say the 1960s ended with Woodstock in August 1969. Others date the decade's demise to the

corruption, openness, growth

2003-10-08 Thread Eubulides
[the link to the paper is at the bottom] http://www.newscientist.com/news/news.jsp?id=ns4247 Free markets can hit economic growth 19:00 08 October 03 Exclusive from New Scientist Print Edition. If developing countries join the global economy too soon, they risk becoming trapped in a cycle