Eugene Coyle wrote:
If a Nixon can figure out how to reach out effectively, why can't we be
equally creative???
Short answer: because in the last thirty years we've been mired in
identity politics...rather than class politics.
Joanna
Michael,
In the interview Lakoff mentions that he has a thing called The
Rockridge Institute -- presumably in the Rockridge area of
Berkeley/Oakland -- maybe he'll take us on as a project.
Gene
Michael Perelman wrote:
Lakoff's framing is very important. We don't know how to do it -- at
least
Louis:
I am clear that I misunderstood you - when you clairfy in tihs ntoe that you are not
an 'abstentinis'.
With repsects to the Green party I suppose you are quite aware of infomration on
Portside today,
that they won a signficant vote (I think in the SF area).
My apologies, I caught one
CC: 4. If a real fascist (or some new kind authoritarian populism) were to arise in
the U.S. it could not be defeated by DP politicians. It could
only be defeated by the unity of a _real_ social democratic party _and_ the 21st c.
equivalent of a communist movement. But those urging us to
support
(Spoke to an old friend from the Trotskyist movement last night, who had
returned from a 2-week vacation trip to China. Two things stuck out. One
was the hyper-development that is like nothing he has ever seen, not even
in his home-town Los Angeles. There are vast commercial and residential
Hari:
Well, Lenin viewed those SD parties as bourgeois parties. Certainly if
you read his writings with the
British (Dreadnought Pankhursts etc) in mind, that is clearly the intent.
No, he did not see them as bourgeois parties. The Kadets in Russia were a
bourgeois party, as are the Republican
Shane Mage wrote:
Michael wrote:
Lakoff's framing is very important. We don't know how to do it -- at
least I have not figured out how.
But it's the simplest thing in the world--always has been. Just
establish virtually monopoly control over all the means of
mass communication. Good
Carrol Cox wrote:
You mean that there will come a wonderful day when, having gone to bed
voting for the DP, we awaken the next morning to a glorious dawn of
class consciousness. Wow!
If that day doesn't come, will there be a day when we go to bed not
having voted for the DP, but done things
It seems, really, that there are two issues here:
1) whether to vote DP in 2004
2) whether it's important to organize something like a labor party
The answer to both seems to be yes, though I fear 2) won't really happen
until after the economic collapse.
Joanna
Doug Henwood wrote:
Carrol Cox
Doug Henwood wrote:
Carrol Cox wrote:
You mean that there will come a wonderful day when, having gone to bed
voting for the DP, we awaken the next morning to a glorious dawn of
class consciousness. Wow!
If that day doesn't come, will there be a day when we go to bed not
having voted for
Carrol Cox wrote:
Doug Henwood wrote:
Carrol Cox wrote:
You mean that there will come a wonderful day when, having gone to bed
voting for the DP, we awaken the next morning to a glorious dawn of
class consciousness. Wow!
If that day doesn't come, will there be a day when we go to bed not
didn't Nixon communicate with labor elites and conservatives (e.g., the Teamsters) or
with the rank file in a demagogic way?
don't we want to talk to the rank file in a non-demogogic way?
Jim
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Carrol writes:
But those urging us to
support the DP this year are telling us to postpone once more the effort
to build a mass left movement. Supporting the DP intead of focusing on
our real task of mass-movement building can leave the u.s. helpless
against fascism down the road.
in the US at
It seems to me, following on Jim Ds comments below, that our job in
this election period should be to develop criteria for people to use
when thinking about voting. In other words, we need to get working
people to see that a strong and accountable public sector is desirable
and feasible.
Doug Henwood wrote:
Carrol Cox wrote:
Doug Henwood wrote:
Carrol Cox wrote:
You mean that there will come a wonderful day when, having gone to bed
voting for the DP, we awaken the next morning to a glorious dawn of
class consciousness. Wow!
If that day doesn't come, will
Carrol, you know better that this sort of communication.
On Sun, Jan 18, 2004 at 02:30:13PM -0600, Carrol Cox wrote:
I think you may honestly be ignorant of political history, and thus
actually can't understand that what I advocate is absolutely nothing
new, but what every single left
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Yes, but his group also understood the alienation or labor and how the Dems were
unable to address it.
Devine, James wrote:
didn't Nixon communicate with labor elites and conservatives (e.g., the Teamsters)
or with the rank file in a demagogic way?
don't we want to talk to the rank file
I got this response to Joanna's question offlist.
This is not investment advice!
Mr. Coyle is correct in his response but I also wanted to expand on two
possible negatives facing fixed income.
1 - Fast approaching over supply of US Debt - 375B deficit last year,
projected 600B current year,
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Sent: Sunday, January 18, 2004 3:30 PM
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Doug Henwood wrote:
Carrol Cox wrote:
Doug Henwood wrote:
Carrol Cox wrote:
You mean that there
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This is indeed a horrible,even
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its defense on a 4-5 foot pipe which can be clearly seen as one of the men
hand's it off to another in another vehicle (tractor by memory), stating that it
could well have
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Mike Ballard wrote:
We have to take what we can get until we're class
consciously organized and therefore powerful
enough to
take it ALL back.
You mean that there will come a wonderful day when,
having gone to bed
voting for the DP, we
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This way we do not become captive to a candidate and his political
shifts. This is how I understand the meaning of an anybody but Bush
movement. We build a movement with criteria and then accept the need
to vote for the democratic candidate that best measures up. In this
way we are building
In today's New York Times magazine there is an interesting article about a
woman who has worked hard her whole life but keeps falling further and further
behind. It is titled "A Poor Cousin of the Middle Class" and is written by
David K. Shipler. I want to urge Michael Moore to read this
Mike Ballard wrote:
No you silly boy. I mean that we have to engage in
the class struggle over the social product of labour
until we're strong enough to take it all i.e. abolish
the wages system.
How does we get defined?
How are conflicts within that we (racism, sexism, skill levels,
Lou Proyect said:
Matt Gonzalez was a lifelong Democrat, but decided to run as a
Green in SF. He got 47 percent of the vote, a very good indication
of what is possible.
John Gulick says:
Regardless of what disposition Marxists, radicals, left-liberals, etc. take
toward electoral politics in
I don't know about the rest of you, but I am finding this discussion very
useful. My interest -- not necessarily support -- of Dean is that his
style might open up a critical discussion of Bush, showing other Dems.
that you can stand up to those bastards. Except for Dennis K. and
Sharpton, no
michael wrote:
Yes, but his group also understood the alienation or labor and how the Dems were
unable to address it.
Michael, on what grounds do you assume that the Dems _want_ to resolve
that alienation? The opposite seems to me the case. The whole existence
of the DP is dependent on
You might be correct, but then they will be gone within a decade.
On Sun, Jan 18, 2004 at 06:39:47PM -0600, Carrol Cox wrote:
Michael, on what grounds do you assume that the Dems _want_ to resolve
that alienation? The opposite seems to me the case. The whole existence
of the DP is dependent
Frederick Emrich, Editor, info-commons.org wrote:
So we're reduced to the old, If you don't know, then I'm certainly not
going to tell you, are we?
I've been telling and telling and telling from the very beginning of the
LBO-talk list. I must have generated (along with Yoshie Furuhashi and
Michael Perelman wrote:
I don't know about the rest of you, but I am finding this discussion very
useful. My interest -- not necessarily support -- of Dean is that his
style might open up a critical discussion of Bush, showing other Dems.
that you can stand up to those bastards.
John Gulick:
The Dean campaign might be more like the McCarthy campaign. Neither
McCarthy nor McGovern were aggressive campaigners though.
I think that the McCarthy campaingn energized lots of young people, some
of whom moved to the left. Others became Dem. functionaries.
Hopefully some of the Deanies will
Carrol wrote...
Gore knew how he could win, and he deliberately and on principle did not
choose that route.
Dunno about the on principle part. What principles were at work
when he failed to follow the dictums in his own book when he was
vice-president and what principle kept him counting
Michael wrote...
You might be correct, but then they will be gone within a decade.
Could you clarify this? Is they labor or the Dems?
Dan
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Purge the White House of
mad cowboy disease.
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--- Carrol Cox [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Mike Ballard wrote:
No you silly boy. I mean that we have to engage
in
the class struggle over the social product of
labour
until we're strong enough to take it all i.e.
abolish
the wages system.
How does we get defined?
I define we as
Perelman said:
The Dean campaign might be more like the McCarthy campaign.
Gulick sez:
That's probably a better analogy. Both Dean and McCarthy are/were cut from
the same Rockefeller Republican mold, a mold that resonates with the habitus
of the liberal arts college-types who project all kinds
I meant that the Dems. will disintegrate if they do not pay attention to
the alienation of labor. Although the way things are going, without any
protest, labor will also be gone. The Bush admin. has been very effective
in undermining labor, especially public sector labor.
On Sun, Jan 18, 2004
John Gulick wrote:
Both of these groups are prepossesed with the most muddled of
convictions -- willing on the one hand to entertain the
most way-out single-note conspiracy theories about Iraq being
about nothing other than enriching Halliburton and Bechtel,
I don't know or claim to know the
John Gulick wrote:
It doesn't necessarily mean that lesser-evilism is
tactically or strategically wrong-headed (or right-headed
for that matter). But some intellectual consistency
would be nice.
This is what I mean by saying leftists should give up the myths of DP
cowardice or stupidity.
Dan Scanlan wrote:
Carrol wrote...
Gore knew how he could win, and he deliberately and on principle did not
choose that route.
Dunno about the on principle part. What principles were at work
when he failed to follow the dictums in his own book when he was
vice-president and what principle
Michael Perelman wrote:I meant that the Dems. will disintegrate if they do not pay
attention to
the alienation of labor.
I don't think so. Why can't the Dems go the way of New Labour in the UK? wasn't that
what Clinton/Gore/Lieberman/DLC is all about?
Jim D.
Lou Proyect said:
Matt Gonzalez was a lifelong Democrat, but decided to run as a
Green in SF. He got 47 percent of the vote, a very good indication
of what is possible.
John Gulick says:
Regardless of what disposition Marxists, radicals, left-liberals, etc. take
toward electoral politics in
Not really. New Labor won. Clinton coopted Rockefeller republican
policies and won. The Repugs have moved so far to the right that it will
be hard to coopt them.
On Sun, Jan 18, 2004 at 06:44:16PM -0800, Devine, James wrote:
Michael Perelman wrote:I meant that the Dems. will disintegrate if
Carrol Cox said:
This is what I mean by saying leftists should give up the myths of DP
cowardice or stupidity. Assume that DP leadership knows what it is doing
and has as much courage as any given bunch of leaders from either party.
Then if you still want to vote for Dean or Clark or whoever,
Carrol Cox said:
This is what I mean by saying leftists should give
up the myths of DP
cowardice or stupidity. Assume that DP leadership
knows what it is doing
and has as much courage as any given bunch of
leaders from either party.
Then if you still want to vote for Dean or Clark or
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