Million worker march

2004-03-29 Thread joanna bujes
(It's happening Reg, it's happening!!!) Joanna From: dmacdonald94591 [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: Sat, 27 Mar 2004 00:42:41 - Subject: million worker march Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Please Join Us in a Million Worker March The International Longshore and Warehouse Union, Local 10, recently

Re: Milan Rai on UN occupation of Iraq

2004-03-29 Thread Chris Doss
I believe I will get a yahoo account. To answer the question, the issue is not Chechen independence per se, but what Free Ichkeria did with its independence and what it is believed it would do again given the chance; devolve into a militant Islamist failed gangster state specializing in

A.Word.A.Day--bushwa

2004-03-29 Thread Michael Pollak
[Here's a word ripe for resurrection. And what a doubly apt etymology.] bushwa (BUSH-wa) noun, also bushwah Nonsense; bull. [Of uncertain origin. Perhaps a mispronunciation of bourgeois.] The tone of his (Antonin Scalia's) remarks suggested that the court had never before moved social

Re: Milan Rai on UN occupation of Iraq

2004-03-29 Thread Carrol Cox
Sabri Oncu wrote: Here is one input from one of those from that part of the world, who is not terrified to speak his mind. Fuck you Americans! Get out of our part of the world! Immediately! From this morning's local (Bloomington, Il) newspaper (under the headline: U.S. Marines fight

Re: Computer outsourcing to Russia.

2004-03-29 Thread Chris Doss
Actually, Russia is a country in which per capita GDP can vary regionally by a factor of 20. I would estimate that incomes in Moscow are 3-5 times higher than the Russian average. In addition, all the shitwork in Moscow is done by non-Muscovites, often illegal immigrants from elsewhere in the

Re: Milan Rai on UN occupation of Iraq

2004-03-29 Thread Louis Proyect
Chris Doss wrote: To answer the question, the issue is not Chechen independence per se, but what Free Ichkeria did with its independence and what it is believed it would do again given the chance; devolve into a militant Islamist failed gangster state specializing in banditry, a kidnap/slave trade

Re: Milan Rai on UN occupation of Iraq

2004-03-29 Thread Chris Doss
And Russia's reaction to being invaded (twice) should have been what? How should Russia react to thousand of its citizens being kidnapped and tortured? What should the Dagestani reaction be to attempts to force it to become a medieval Islamist state? Reply: If it is unacceptable to you, then

Re: Milan Rai on UN occupation of Iraq

2004-03-29 Thread Chris Doss
-Original Message- From: Louis Proyect [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: Mon, 29 Mar 2004 09:10:24 -0500 I should probably clarify that the First and Second Chechen Wars are completely different matters. The first was a bone-headed move by Yeltsin against a national

Polish farmers face ruin under EU ( not Comecon)

2004-03-29 Thread Charles Brown
From: Louis Proyect [EMAIL PROTECTED] NY Times, March 27, 2004 After May 1, East Europe's 'Haves' May Have More By ALAN COWELL SYTNA GORA, Poland -clip- As Europe expands in a quest for prosperity and elusive unity, many among its new members in the East fear that hundreds of thousands of

FT: Spanish government lied from the very beginning

2004-03-29 Thread Michael Pollak
[The FT also ran a longer and more detailed article on the same day, from which I just want to cull the following paragraph, which emphasizes that they suspected it was ETA from literally the very first moment they arrived on the scene:] [After 30 years in the front line of the battel against

Re: Milan Rai on UN occupation of Iraq

2004-03-29 Thread dmschanoes
Let's be clear, the determinants of policy, and anti-policy, are not polls imaginary or real that are conducted by pollsters. What somebody says a sample of the Iraqi people want or wanted had nothing to do with the invasion by the United States. What somebody now says the Iraqi people want has

Re: Milan Rai on UN occupation of Iraq

2004-03-29 Thread Louis Proyect
dmschanoes wrote: Supporting national liberation, or a self-determination devoid of a specific class content of that determination, i.e. a program that includes expropriation of the privatized, now and future, means of production, is ultimately meaningless. Not really. The Comintern backed the

Re: Milan Rai on UN occupation of Iraq

2004-03-29 Thread Doug Henwood
dmschanoes wrote: his war was precipitated by capital's need to destroy parts of the productive apparatus and maintain a high price for oil. I hear people say things like this and I wonder how they know. How do you know this? Documentary evidence, or do you just *know*? Doug

Re: Milan Rai on UN occupation of Iraq

2004-03-29 Thread dmschanoes
The Caucasus wars is fundamentally over control of oil nothing to do with fighting medievalism. _ That much of what LP writes is almost correct. It is fundamentally over control of the transport of oil, and for that reason alone the secession of Chechnya, its

The Politics of Nature

2004-03-29 Thread Louis Proyect
Swans Jeffrey St. Clair's The Politics of Nature by Louis Proyect Book Review March 29, 2004 Jeffrey St. Clair, Been Brown So Long it Looked Like Green to Me: The Politics of Nature, Common Courage Press, 2004; ISBN: 1- 56751-258-5 - 406 pages. Comprised of over fifty-six articles, Jeffrey St.

Re: Milan Rai on UN occupation of Iraq

2004-03-29 Thread dmschanoes
Well, we know where the Comintern's support of the Kuomingtang took the workers revolution, that's for sure. And I believe you pose a false choice, in that no bourgeois nationalist control of Iraqi oil, separate and apart from the domination, military or market of Western capitalism is possible.

Re: Milan Rai on UN occupation of Iraq

2004-03-29 Thread dmschanoes
No I just don't know, I've actually studied the price of oil, rates of return on investment, fixed asset growth in the industry for 30 years. Here's a tip-- check the Baker Hughes rig counts going back to 1973, and overlay it with prices and the industry rate of return to 2003. Makes for an

Re: Milan Rai on UN occupation of Iraq

2004-03-29 Thread Louis Proyect
dmschanoes wrote: Well, we know where the Comintern's support of the Kuomingtang took the workers revolution, that's for sure. Excuse me? The problem was not support for the KMT, but the failure of the CP to maintain an independent presence, including a newspaper. Even Trotsky backed the KMT, just

Re: Job flight

2004-03-29 Thread Tom Walker
While there are no hard local numbers, about 300,000 jobs nationwide have been lost since 2000, according to Forrester Research Inc. Well, while there are no hard numbers, about 10,000,000 jobs have been lost in the U.S. due to excessive hours of work (compared to Europe). Candidate Kerry says

Re: Milan Rai on UN occupation of Iraq

2004-03-29 Thread Chris Doss
After the Soviet Union collapsed, 14 regions become independent nations. After Dzhokhar Dudayev was elected president of Chechnya, he declared independence. But Boris Yeltsin refused to accept this and sent in troops. After Chechen rebels drove off the Russian troops, a full-scale invasion was

Re: Milan Rai on UN occupation of Iraq

2004-03-29 Thread Louis Proyect
Chris Doss wrote: Lord. Dagestan is PART of Russia. That's what Ankara says about Kurdestan. -- The Marxism list: www.marxmail.org

Re: Milan Rai on UN occupation of Iraq

2004-03-29 Thread Chris Doss
That's what Dagestan says about Dagestan. Look, I can't believe I have to do this in 2004, but anyway... Current History October 2000 Through a Distorted Lens: Chechnya and the Western Media By ANATOL LIEVEN ANATOL LIEVEN is a senior associate in the Russia and Eurasia Center of the Carnegie

Re: Another classroom exercise

2004-03-29 Thread Craven, Jim
Title: Message While Michael is undoubtedly right, university administrations reward those who do research and slight teaching. But that is no excuse for teachers to neglect their moral responsibility to teach properly and to serve their students. I think Jim was once a student of

Re: Milan Rai on UN occupation of Iraq

2004-03-29 Thread Louis Proyect
Chris Doss wrote: It is clear why Russia could not have tolerated Chechnya being used indefinitely as a safe haven for such forces and as a potential base for further attacks on Russia. For how long would the United States tolerate such a situation in a neighboring state? This is exactly the

new frontiers of democracy

2004-03-29 Thread Devine, James
from MS SLATE: The NY [TIMES] off-leads and the LA [TIMES] goes above-the-fold with the U.S. occupation's decision to shut down a popular Iraqi newspaper run by a radical Shiite cleric. According to the LAT, troops gave the newspaper's editor a letter from L. Paul Bremer that said the paper had

Re: Milan Rai on UN occupation of Iraq

2004-03-29 Thread Louis Proyect
Chris Doss wrote: I say: It is unreliable because the country is lawless. Now, why would the country be lawless. I wonder if it might have something to do with bands of Islamoid gunmen running around invading adjoining areas of Russia and kidnapping people. Nah, couldn't be. Reply: Well, we have

Re: Milan Rai on UN occupation of Iraq

2004-03-29 Thread Chris Doss
Blagov is usually quite good. I am surprised to see him get so monocausal. Here, he writes: It has been often said that disputes over oil transit are behind the tragedy in unruly Chechnya - seen as the biggest security threat in the region. Russia has been keen to use its Baku-Novorossiisk

U.S.-Led Coalition Shuts Down Iraq Paper (Milan Rai on UN occupation of Iraq)

2004-03-29 Thread Yoshie Furuhashi
Since you clearly don't want to read the actual poll, let me supply some highlights for you. These results don't sound like they're coming from people too terrified to speak their minds. Doug Here is one input from one of those from that part of the world, who is not terrified to speak his mind.

Job flight contest $$

2004-03-29 Thread Eugene Coyle
Thinking about job flight? Here's your reward. Gene Coyle This year sees the fifth anniversary of the Shell Economist writing prize competition, and we hope very much that you will consider entering. The theme is 'Import workers or export jobs?' Points to consider Should developing

Diversion of resources

2004-03-29 Thread Michael Pollak
Headline on one of the front page articles in today's FT: Afghanistan in danger of reverting to terror breeding ground, warns UN and the pullout quote is: The report notes Iraq receives '10 times as much development assistance with [a similar] population.' Michael

Re: U.S.-Led Coalition Shuts Down Iraq Paper (Milan Rai on UN occupation of Iraq)

2004-03-29 Thread Doug Henwood
Yoshie Furuhashi wrote: Under such conditions, you can't trust any Western opinion polls of Iraqis to reflect Iraqi opinions accurately, for Iraqis can't speak their minds freely: They don't seem shy about expressing their opinions to reporters for foreign wire services or newspapers or even

Re: Milan Rai on UN occupation of Iraq

2004-03-29 Thread joanna bujes
Chris, I think you won. Joanna Louis Proyect wrote: Chris Doss wrote: I say: It is unreliable because the country is lawless. Now, why would the country be lawless. I wonder if it might have something to do with bands of Islamoid gunmen running around invading adjoining areas of Russia and

Re: Job flight contest $$ (was terrorism futures market)

2004-03-29 Thread Tom Walker
Gene Coyle wrote: Thinking about job flight? Here's your reward. Thanks, Gene. I'll enter. I won the last essay contest I entered that was announced on Pen-L: Robin (terrorism futures market) Hanson's Has Privatization gone far enough? Since there are eight prizes in this one, a $5,000 show

Re: U.S.-Led Coalition Shuts Down Iraq Paper (Milan Rai on UN occupation of Iraq)

2004-03-29 Thread Yoshie Furuhashi
At 1:06 PM -0500 3/29/04, Doug Henwood wrote: Under such conditions, you can't trust any Western opinion polls of Iraqis to reflect Iraqi opinions accurately, for Iraqis can't speak their minds freely: They don't seem shy about expressing their opinions to reporters for foreign wire services or

Re: U.S.-Led Coalition Shuts Down Iraq Paper (Milan Rai on UN occupation of Iraq)

2004-03-29 Thread Bill Lear
On Monday, March 29, 2004 at 13:16:10 (-0500) Yoshie Furuhashi writes: ... Yes, more than 1,000 supporters of cleric Muqtada al-Sadr demonstrated peacefully, but that is a tiny minority in the nation of 24,683,313 (July 2003 est., http://www.cia.gov/cia/publications/factbook/geos/iz.html), and

Re: U.S.-Led Coalition Shuts Down Iraq Paper (Milan Rai on UN occupation of Iraq)

2004-03-29 Thread Louis Proyect
Bill Lear wrote: Let me get this right: since only 1,000 out of 24 million came out for a very vocal demonstration, that shows how cowed they are; therefore, 10,000 in the U.S., keeping proportions constant, shows the same thing? I don't think the issue is whether you can protest in the streets in

Re: U.S.-Led Coalition Shuts Down Iraq Paper (Milan Rai on UN occupation of Iraq)

2004-03-29 Thread Yoshie Furuhashi
On Monday, March 29, 2004 at 13:16:10 (-0500) Yoshie Furuhashi writes: Yes, more than 1,000 supporters of cleric Muqtada al-Sadr demonstrated peacefully, but that is a tiny minority in the nation of 24,683,313 (July 2003 est., http://www.cia.gov/cia/publications/factbook/geos/iz.html), and even

Re: U.S.-Led Coalition Shuts Down Iraq Paper (Milan Rai on UN occupation of Iraq)

2004-03-29 Thread Doug Henwood
Bill Lear wrote: On Monday, March 29, 2004 at 13:16:10 (-0500) Yoshie Furuhashi writes: ... Yes, more than 1,000 supporters of cleric Muqtada al-Sadr demonstrated peacefully, but that is a tiny minority in the nation of 24,683,313 (July 2003 est.,

Re: U.S.-Led Coalition Shuts Down Iraq Paper

2004-03-29 Thread Yoshie Furuhashi
At 2:49 PM -0500 3/29/04, Louis Proyect wrote: I don't think the issue is whether you can protest in the streets in Iraq. Obviously you can. This is not exactly Pinochet's Chile, although down the road it might come to that. It is really more a question of determining what Iraqis think about the

Re: U.S.-Led Coalition Shuts Down Iraq Paper

2004-03-29 Thread Yoshie Furuhashi
Bill, you're trying to reason, which is often a dead end. Even though half of Baghdadis polled expressed dislike of Bush and Blair and thought the U.S. was after their oil, and almost a fifth expressed support for attacks on U.S. forces, their expression of worry about what might happen (e.g.

Re: U.S.-Led Coalition Shuts Down Iraq Paper (Milan Rai on UN occupation of Iraq)

2004-03-29 Thread Devine, James
In response to Yoshie, Bill Lear wrote: Let me get this right: since only 1,000 out of 24 million came out for a very vocal demonstration, that shows how cowed they are; therefore, 10,000 in the U.S., keeping proportions constant, shows the same thing? Saith Doug ironically, Bill, you're

Re: U.S.-Led Coalition Shuts Down Iraq Paper (Milan Rai on UN occupation of Iraq)

2004-03-29 Thread DMS
At the risk of overposting: Those who express ambivalence or reluctant support for the US occupation of Iraq are practicing a form of less-evilism. And like all forms of lesser evilism, this one is based on self-delusion. To be precise-- the delusion is that somehow someway the actions of the

Re: U.S.-Led Coalition Shuts Down Iraq Paper (Milan Rai on UN occupation of Iraq)

2004-03-29 Thread Louis Proyect
Devine, James wrote: As for the fear of what might happen if US forces pulled out, I think there's a very good reason to trust the poll results. People are almost always afraid of what will happen if the state (in this case, the US armed forces) goes away. This is not just about whether to trust

Re: U.S.-Led Coalition Shuts Down Iraq Paper (Milan Rai on UNoccupation of Iraq)

2004-03-29 Thread Carrol Cox
DMS wrote: So a question, and I won't bother you about this again: When US fatalities increase to 10 or 20 a day from the current 1 or 2, when every shopping mall is filled with SUVs saying bring them home, when every Senator questions our course in Iraq because of the increasing

An Army of Debt/In Harm's Way -- at Home

2004-03-29 Thread Yoshie Furuhashi
Across the country, in small towns and big cities, the families of our National Guard and military Reserves are having trouble paying the bills. Many are barely treading water. Some go under. Many households of Reservists -- 30 percent, according to a 2002 Pentagon estimate -- lose income when

journalistic tegrity

2004-03-29 Thread Devine, James
Ex-WWN reporter trued major stories By Morris Blake, WEEKLY WORLD NEWS. Seven weeks into an examination of former WEEKLY WORLD NEWS reporter Kelly Jacques's work, a team of journalists has found strong evidence that Jacques insinuated substantial portions of veracity into at least eight major

Under every lie - Chalabi!

2004-03-29 Thread Michael Pollak
[The fun part is 1/3 of the way down: even David Kay is unloading on the Bushits now] The Independent (UK) 29 March 2004 Iraqi defector behind America's WMD claims exposed as 'out-and-out fabricator' By Andrew Gumbel in Los Angeles The case for war against Iraq was dealt another

Newsweek: Did Chalabi Break US laws?

2004-03-29 Thread Michael Pollak
[By using State Department and Pentagon money to propagandize the US domestic audience?] April 5th Issue Newsweek Chalabi: A Questionable Use of U.S. Funding Under investigation: Congress is examining whether Ahmad Chalabi inappropriately used U.S. taxpayer dollars to prod

Re: Under every lie - Chalabi!

2004-03-29 Thread joanna bujes
Michael Pollak wrote: Mr Powell told the world on 5 February last year the administration had firsthand descriptions of biological weapons factories on wheels and on rails capable of producing enough anthrax or botulinum toxin to kill thousands upon thousands of people. He showed highly

The ink that says I care

2004-03-29 Thread Michael Pollak
[Summary of an article in today's WP from Slate's Today's Papers newsletter:] quote Each day, activists fan out to collect signatures for a petition rejecting the interim constitution, which Sistani opposes. Thousands of those signatures are scanned in nightly and sent by CD to headquarters in

Re: U.S.-Led Coalition Shuts Down Iraq Paper (Milan Rai on UN occupation of Iraq)

2004-03-29 Thread michael
Jim, you are an excellent psychologist. I have been busy all day and have not been able to wade through the entire thread, but I think that everything has already been said. I suspect that we have pushed Chechnyia as far as we usefully can. Devine, James wrote: (I can understand it if

Khodorkovsky caves

2004-03-29 Thread Chris Doss
The Times (UK) March 29, 2004 Yukos: has a deal been done? Mikhail Khodorkovsky, the jailed oil tycoon and critic of President Vladimir Putin, has today performed a volte-face and thrown his support behind Russia's leader. Jeremy Page reports from Moscow. Has Mr Khodorkovsky struck a deal with