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that the bulk of the article is responding to criticism of
Parecon. The excerpt which I forwarded on strategy is the very last
section.
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Gar W. Lipow
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http://www.freetrain.org/
named for the Savior
Neruda will still sing.
By the late Shay A. Lipow
Gar W. Lipow
815 Dundee RD NW
Olympia, WA 98502
http://www.freetrain.org/
and other fluids pouring out, and a baby stuck half-way out of
the mother's womb.
Louis Proyect
(http://www.panix.com/~lnp3/marxism.html)
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Gar W. Lipow
815 Dundee RD NW
Olympia, WA 98502
http://www.freetrain.org/
the academic conferences can learn
from. Now if Z Magazine could find a way to drop its sectarian hatred of
Marxism, the left would be in a stronger position to move forward. I am not
holding my breath.
Louis Proyect
(http://www.panix.com/~lnp3/marxism.html)
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Gar W. Lipow
Economics. Z
Magazine July/August 1991: 70-71.
Hahnel, Robin. 1998. The ABCs of Political Economy. Forthcoming.
Levy, David. 1991. Book Review: Seeking a Third Way. Dollars and
Sense 171 November 1991: 18-20.
Pramas, Jason. 1991. A Roundtable on Participatory Economics. Z
Magazine July/August 1991: 73-74.
Weisskopf, Thomas. 1992. Toward a Socialism for the Future in the
Wake of the Demise of the Socialism of the Past.
Review of Radical Political Economics 24 (34).
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Gar W. Lipow
815 Dundee RD NW
Olympia, WA 98502
http://www.freetrain.org/
it on your site, just grab
it, and modify it.
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Gar W. Lipow
815 Dundee RD NW
Olympia, WA 98502
http://www.freetrain.org/
I have developed a new free web site (FreedomTrain:
http://www.freetrain.org/
Which I think most on-line U.S. progressives will find modestly
useful, in a limited and practical sort of way.
The idea is to take emergency fax networks, and e-mail alerts to Nth
degree. This site contains
Me three. I usually disagree with Boddhi, but I've seen worse -- much
of it on this list. Maybe I'm missing something, but it looks to me
like Boddhi is being thrown off for intellectual disagreement rather
than behavior. At least I don't remember him having to apologize for
personal attacts on
The Monday, Aug 19 issue of My local rag (it hardly deserves the word
"newspaper") reprinted an article from the LA Times article "Bombing
leave Kenyans asking; Why here?" Like most LA Times articles, the last
two paragraphs contained the story which should have led. These
paragraphs in full say:
Um, just one thing -- when I referred to "microstate" I was not
suggesting it as a name for Puerto Rico. I was suggesting it as a new
name for Washington State, which I said in my post had dibs on selling
itself to Microsoft. (Since we have already given fair chunks of money
away to Microsoft.)
I think there are actually three points in this discussion:
1) What is possible in a decent society.
Of course in a decent society copyright would be unneccesary. How
would innovation be encouraged? Well many people on this list have
already pointed out the non-material incentives. But if
Doug Henwood wrote:
there are an awful lot of American lefties, for one, who have no
idea how good the Wall Street Journal can be at its best.
Doug
An old time left wing Journalist (Charles Morgan -- wonder where he is
now) used to say The Wall Street Journal was the best underground
James Devine wrote:
BTW, I think that Puerto Rico would do better if it became a fully-owned subsidiary
of Microsoft and changed its name to Gatesland. ;-0
Nah .. Washington State has dibs on becoming a Microsoft subsidiary.
Our proposed name change is to MicroState.
Carrol Cox wrote:
This seems off the radar screen to me for three reasons:
1. It seems to jump the entire intervening time between now and that time in the
future in which a socialist regime would be in position to think about
"redistribution," and since such an interval would
There are two sets of points here. One is the point that there are a
lot of indirect effects of inequality -- crime, higher death rates,
social mismanagement, environmental desctruction, tremendous waste.
But the other is that point is wrong to begin with. Just because you
can come up with
michael perelman wrote:
see us. Winning a lottery does not change all that; nor would redistribution. Marx
discussed this problem in his brief mention about the difficulty of building
socialism with a people who had been formed under capitalism.
A one time redistribution will not change
, these figures do not include
accumulated wealth, which is what others have mentioned. According to
industry breakdowns in Gross Product Originating, actual employee
compensation accounted for about 57.9% of the total.
Jeff
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From: Gar W. Lipow
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Actually I think that even in terms of income that this is plain
wrong. I recently saw the figure cited on the LBO list that if the
U.S.GDP were distributed equally per hour worked (after substacting
capital investment) then pre-tax earnings would be $22 an hour.
This means a single earner
I have. It is first rate, and suprisingly well written for someone who
is pretty firmly in the neoclassical camp. Be warned though; Thaler is
heavily into denial. He rationalizes away (so to speak) most of the
more subversive implications of the collection.
To get the most out of it, you have to
Several comments on this
1) Someone once said that if engineers designed buildings the way
programmers design programs, one woodpecker could destroy
civilization.
Ignoring the false assumption that what we've go is a
civilization, that is not so very far off. Chips contain
engineer written
I hold no brief for the Sierra Club, the largest of the corporate environmentalist
groups. But the 40% vote for the anti-immigrant rule is not completely reflective of
their membership. From what I understand there was a massive last minute purchase
of memberships by right wing groups to push
Fowarded From Alliance For Democracy (Ruth Caplan)
[Note: some editing of URLs have been done by Gar W. Lipow, so that they point
at the right place along with removals of some extra hard carriiage returns.]
RE: OECD Ministerial in Paris
Remember all those rumors a month or so ago that we had
The interesting thing is that your analysis -- that defeat of the left cannot be
blamed on the left itself is an extremely pessimistic one. Of course , if it is
true it is true -- but look at the implication. If the left is not screwing up big
time and we losing this badly then things pretty
Sid Socolar wrote:
The principles and the supporting rhetoric are very attractive. One
thing worries me, though. If I were an agent for a government or other
right wing intelligence organization and wanted to amass a data base of
radical-thinking North Americans, I might think of
I'm forwarding the following article by Michael Albert. It strikes me that in
these times any new idea about building a mass left organization is worth
considering. Any comments?
Organization to Liberate Society? (May issue of Z magazine)
By
The following is a known Internet hoax. Generally, when you hear about stuff
like this, where there is no major motive to suppress, on the Internet before
it comes to the mainstream media you can be pretty sure you are being fooled.
Michael Eisenscher wrote:
[Apologies for duplicates as a
Robin Hahnel wrote:
So you want to auction off the permits. Great. That's better than giving
them away for free since it makes the polluters pay and gains the
victims some form of compensation in the form of more tax reveunes. And
I like the idea of a minimum price equal to the marginal
Robin Hahnel wrote:
I doubt you mean "non-tradable" in the above, since non tradable permits
are the equivalent of regulations (that most now call "command and
control."
No, I mean non-tradeable. Non-tradeable permits are not the same as regulation
if they
are sold to the highest bidder.
Robin Hahnel wrote:
I have been campaigning on this theme recently because the mainstream of
the profession has generated an intellectual stampede in favor of
permits and has ignored taxes completely. I think the entire reason is
permits can be part of a massive corporate boondoggle -- and
MScoleman wrote:
In a message dated 98-02-25 21:27:27 EST, Barkley Rosser asks:
Maggie,
What about when there are both taxes and subsidies as
we see in France and Germany?
Actually when the major US environmental laws were put
in place in the early 70s most of the
Long term Pen-l member and occasional generator of controversy Robin Hahnel, as well
as a number of other people are offering on-line classes through Left On Line
University.
In case any of these classes are of interest to anyone, or in case anyone has friends
who would benefit, I am
Sid -- your own forward says this whole "not signing" thing was a trick. They had
given up getting a final deal in April months ago. The announcement is just to
accomplish three things:
1) trick all the groups opposing MAI into thinking they have won, to drop the anti-MAI
pressure,
2) win an
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valis wrote:
It's hardly surprising that no one on the list feels up to addressing
the comments of Edward Said, nearly four hours after they arrived here.
The immediate subject and the larger world-historical constellation
to which it belongs can by now inspire only a weariness unto death.
cing both our existing state and existing economic
system --- the new system , of course, to be made up!
of some other set of interacting systems.)
Of course your question of whether complexity theory should be applied to society at
all is the more fundamental point. But I don't think the fact t
Most of the "Simple rules, complex systems" school actually ignore the fundamentals
of complexity theory. Cyberlibertarians may think of Godel's incompleteness theorem
as old hat now that it's no longer a favorite plaything of the nuagers, but it
remains rather essential to the particular
This message is from: "Gar W. Lipow" [EMAIL PROTECTED]
The following are the top few paragraphs of an article which appeared in the
Tacoma News Tribune of Yesterday, Jan 28th -- apparently bought form Newsday.
Does the refusal to rule out nukes make anyone besides me nervous?
valis wrote:
Gar Lipow ended his post thus:
President Clinton is at [EMAIL PROTECTED]
VP Al Gore is at [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Madeline Albright is at [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[etc.]
I know we've had forwards on peace groups and demonstrations and such
lately -- all extremely important. But I
Yes I know you have a lot more meaty stuff to
think about right now. But you all know damn well
that the "Re Utopias" thread may return
eventually. These are just some useful on-line
resources to keep on file for when that happens.
The first item on the list is by me -- because I
don't DO
Louis --Hope you don't mind this addition to a
discussion you have officially retired from.
But, you are a long time activist (probably
including on this issue). I'm sure it was
purely accidental that your brilliant theoretical
analysis of Cuba's suffering under global
capitalism omitted
h computer
technology than I am with the process of
investigating tax evasion -- especially by large
corporations and very rich individuals. Is it as
simple as I make it sound, or does strong
encryption pose a problem here?
Gar W. Lipow
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Olympia, WA 98502
Phone 360-943-1529
Web: http://www.vcn.bc.ca/timework/
Presumably layoffs, work which produced more than average injury, death,
mental illness, and addiction would also be taxed as well.
Gar W. Lipow
[EMAIL PROTECTED]
815 Dundee Road, NW
Olympia, WA 98502
PH: 360-943-1529
William S. Lear wrote:
On Sat, January 3, 1998 at 20:55:43 (-0900) Gar W. Lipow writes:
Robin Hahnel wrote:
...
A welfare safety net for the losers? What would you say?
With gambling or without, I think a Parecon will provide a welfare
safety net. I am not talking about the retired
Robin Hahnel wrote:
Or, perhaps, my oblique point would be clearer if I came at it from another
angle: the greatest indignity inflicted on the poor is not their poverty; it
is the retroactive justification of that poverty (and the corresponding
wealth of the wealthy) as being "as of
Ellen Dannin wrote:
On Mon, 29 Dec 1997, Louis Proyect wrote:
* * * I have to confess that the discussion about "technology" sort
of baffles me since it seems detached from the broader question of how
society is organized.
There is no question that automation of blue-collar and
I've stiched a number of excepts from recent
posts together to show how what struck one lurker
(me). Are the holiday blues just causing me to
take them out of context, or are they meant as
depressingly as they sound when arranged in this
way?
Doug Henwood wrote (in the context of a much
large
It seems to me that all this discussion actually ties very well into the Hahnel
and Albert Participatory Economics. Doug Henwood was asking whether a more
humane system could appropriate all the benefits of modernization and separate
them from exploitation, polarization, and the destruction of
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