In a message dated 97-07-13 00:56:50 EDT, you write:
He might as well get out the flag and wave it around, call Henwood a
Commie Symp, and save Barron's the expense of printing such a demented
and trivializing "review".
Bill
Dear Bill, I must respectfully disagree. The last thing I want to
In a message dated 97-07-12 16:58:05 EDT, you write:
Most soon discovered there
were no secret cabals or overarching schemes for social
domination.
Says who?
Doug Henwood, ***the middle-aged publisher*** (emphasis added)
This IS a LOW blow.
of the Left
Business Observer newsletter,
In a message dated 97-07-06 19:42:14 EDT, you write:
Michael has done an admirable job of keeping this list
going.
I agree 100%. maggie coleman [EMAIL PROTECTED]
In a message dated 97-07-06 15:09:20 EDT, you write:
Subj: [PEN-L:11138] Re: Feminism is sexist?
Date: 97-07-06 15:09:20 EDT
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Stephen E Philion)
Sender:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Reply-to: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Maggie,
I guess I was being too subtle. FTR, of course I
In a message dated 97-07-04 06:47:02 EDT, you write:
excellent job of flame provoking... steve
Does this mean you agree with Karl Carlile?
On Thu, 3 Jul 1997, Karl Carlile wrote:
Comrades,
So, Karl, are you writing to your male "comrades" your female "comrades" or
your nonfeminist "comrades"
In a message dated 97-07-06 16:34:18 EDT, you write:
KARL: More misconstructions of my position.I certainly did not say
all. I said MUCH:"much of the genralities made about men as a gender
have a sexist character". How can one take what you say seriously
when you misrepresent postings at this
If you read all of Young's comments, he never addresses the core of the
issue--the wages paid do not purchase any reasonable standard of living.
maggie coleman [EMAIL PROTECTED]
In the January/February, 1997 issue of ARCHAEOLOGY magazine, there is an
article by Jeannine Davis-Kimball titled "Warrior Women of the Eurasian
Steppes." The evidence from new archaeological digs finds that many women
were buried as warriors, with weapons and trappings of war. The author
In a message dated 97-06-16 18:44:01 EDT, you write:
"Harvard prof tells working class to tighten belts; working class raises
middle finger in response."
How do you do this critique without risking snobbery?
Doug
While I too use much of Schor's work, I have always been bothered by a few
The real puzzle remains the
black culture of overachievement.
Rakesh
Just to add to Rakesh's points: It is standard practice now to assess IQ
using a series of six or seven tests, each of which look at a different form
of intelligence (intuitive, mathematical, artistic, etc.). The Bell Curve
In a message dated 97-06-11 12:31:30 EDT, you write:
I'd like to suggest again that you not ignore the law and its impact
here. David Montgomery's book, Citizen Worker, reviews how the law was
enforced by the courts to weaken any rights workers had to act
collectively. At the same time the
In a message dated 97-06-09 10:57:12 EDT, Terry writes:
I suspect
intellectuals of the more organic kind were supplying intellectual
leadership. Whether their names have survived the general historical
amnesia about ordinary people is another question.
I certainly agree with this--I think
In a message dated 97-06-09 11:26:58 EDT, you write:
Most unions were formed when people were working six
days a week, 10-12 hours a day.
Doug and a couple of other people have pointed out that twentieth century
Americans also work long weeks (ie Juliet Schor's Overworked
American--excellent
I have problems with microcredit for a few reasons:
1. In many of the countries where the credit is extended to women, the same
women are legally prohibited from marketing their own wares, and the profits
are controlled by the men in the family.
2. Micro credit by definition defines the kinds
In a message dated 97-06-09 11:26:58 EDT, you write:
But I'd guess that it'd be hard to find too many
people working 60-72 hour weeks in 1997.
Doug
HA maggie
Tavis;
I think we're 'talking' at cross purposes. I didn't mean that it was wrong
to provide tokens, in fact, I meant to say much of what you've said already,
which is that middle class, white (and generally young) organizers often
don't recognize how much a token is worth to someone. I also
In a message dated 97-06-08 16:08:52 EDT, you write:
Second, I think it partly has to do with various types of complacency.
In the case of the reproductive rghts movement, I remember how the
movement groups sort of re-oriented toward issues of access in the early
90s after it became clear
In a message dated 97-06-08 13:06:03 EDT, Doug writes:
The unionist was worried that raising wages would
kill jobs.
This idea that increased income to workers will kill the company, or the hand
that provides the paycheck, is rampant with all this downsizing. In NYNEX,
there is constant debate
In a message dated 97-06-08 10:14:27 EDT, you write:
And to answer your other question, Maggie, I don't think it's a matter of
intellectuals spreading their fine ideas on the fertile soil of the masses.
The influence and inspiration have to travel in both directions. But I
don't see the
In a message dated 97-06-08 00:48:15 EDT, you write:
I guess I'd say the same thing I said to Doug: Neither local activism nor
national activism changes people's lives without the right politics.
Tavis,
I don't disagree with you. I certainly think that national
organizations without
While I realize that this is about 6 months too early or 5 months too late,
it seems appropriate given the discussion on left/right/center for France and
Britain.
maggie coleman [EMAIL PROTECTED]
-A POLITICAL HOLIDAY
Twas the night before Christmas and throughout the White House, Al
Gore
was
In a message dated 97-06-06 13:42:10 EDT, you write:
I think that for all kinds of reasons, we actually have to be _in_ the
communities we're trying to change. For some of us, this may mean
unions, or campaings for/against various things (workfare, police
brutality, a living wage) run by the
In a message dated 97-06-06 18:48:36 EDT, you write:
Organizing the very poor, for example, is extremely
complicated. Poor people are highly overworked and have very little
time. You usually have to have all your meetings on Saturday and Sunday
afternoons, or else right at the end of the
In a message dated 97-06-05 19:35:35 EDT, you write:
Practical and theoretical action, at least in
the U.S., has been focused on developing a micropolitics, but it seems to
me that unless these atoms talk to each other, dispersion and defeat will
continue.
Doug
Are we talking party? maggie
In a message dated 97-06-05 16:20:59 EDT, you write:
Michael, you have a point here, but it's not enough to talk about the grass
roots. Of course any seriously radical movement needs a mass base, but
that's not enough. Most ordinary folks are completely confused by what's
going on and feel
Jim, I wasn't disagreeing with you, I just wanted to point out that the
development of bodily 'strength' and 'weakness' are as much determined by
socially defined gender activities (such as participation in sports) as by
biology--though I do not dispute that there are differing biological
BRASSED OUT and (to a lesser extent) CHILDREN OF THE REVOLUTION, both in New
York movie theaters now. maggie coleman [EMAIL PROTECTED]
In a message dated 97-05-31 11:34:46 EDT, you write:
Subj: [PEN-L:10465] Labor films
Date: 97-05-31 11:34:46 EDT
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sender:
Dear Michael, thanks for the reference. maggie
In a message dated 97-05-31 11:13:45 EDT, you write:
The Bureau of National Affairs publishes an annual compilation of data from
the CPS prepared by Barry Hirsch and David Macpherson at Florida State
University. It is entitled "Union Membership
In a message dated 97-05-29 11:19:42 EDT, you write:
I think it's important to remember just how clueless we are
when it comes to human biology, particularly in the neuro area. My brother
has autism and mental retardation, and throughout his life we've been
amazed at seemingly implacable
I've received several emails telling me that the original story was written
up by phd students in the "land of duh" and sent to AP. The wires picked it
up as real. All I can say is that the story would not have been so
believable if the religious right wasn't so rigid on issues of gender and
In a message dated 97-05-28 19:13:41 EDT, you write:
there's clearly a biological/genetic/evolutionary basis for sexism.
Obviously, the average man's superior upper body strength compared to the
average woman gives him the upper hand when "might makes right." And that's
a basis of a lot of
In a message dated 97-05-28 13:12:24 EDT, you write:
Buss uses what is called "evolutionary psychology" to explain the
"mating" preferences of men and women. Basically, women, since they
are more reproductively "valuable" than men and must invest much more
in the gestation of a child, naturally
I need help with some of the latest demographic statistics on union
organizing. I know that women are the only portion of the working class to
increase in percentage unionized in the last decade or two but I need to know
more definitively what this trend is. If possible, please provide the
The following is a truly frightening example of why gender roles are
reproduced so strongly from one generation to the next. maggie coleman
[EMAIL PROTECTED]
I thought I would share this with you. It is unbelievable!
--
Stefanie Schmidt
Economist
Milken Institute for Job Capital Formation
Sprint is nonunion and has vigorously opposed the unionization of Sprint
workers.
maggie coleman [EMAIL PROTECTED]
In a message dated 97-05-27 14:27:23 EDT, you write:
Doesn't WALD use Sprint as their main carrier, and isn't Sprint a known
union-busting company?
Doug
--
Doug Henwood
Left
In a message dated 97-05-25 13:13:57 EDT, you write:
Maggie has responded to this, and I have nothing really to add, except
to ask a question and offer a reference or two. First, isn't much of
this dichotomization of men and women rooted (I confess to almost
complete ignorance as to its true
I agree with Sid that NAFTA is far more than a trade group. It has, from its
inception, been structured to squelch local agreements under the name of
trade and supercede democratically elected government bodies. My only
position at the beginning of all this was that the EU was not as
In a message dated 97-05-20 12:13:31 EDT, you write:
What do you, Maggie, or
anyone else for that matter, think of this observation from Teresa Ebert's
preface to Ludic Feminism:
I am not familiar at all with religious feminism (canonic feminist theory).
Talking about the rest of the quote
In a message dated 97-05-15 19:22:13 EDT, you write:
Holy Binary Males, Doug. So, there are only
two approaches to network discourse, excessive violence
and excessive length (you boastful fellow) or silence.
Now, how do we know he IS
In a message dated 97-05-15 19:22:13 EDT, you write:
Holy Binary Males, Doug. So, there are only
two approaches to network discourse, excessive violence
and excessive length (you boastful fellow) or silence.
Now, how do we know he IS boastful? maggie
So, Trevor, are you saying that international trade groups like eu and nafta
have the potential to be 'turned' or used to progressive purposes where
nationalistic movements might fail? While I don't dispute the attractiveness
of such an idea, I would think that union or popular movements in
I think this is an interesting idea--unfortunately, the groups in a position
to set up international pressure on nafta, mainly unions, do not seem to be
doing a great job of international communication. This is too bad, because
there are strong union structures in all three countries which could
superb. maggie
In a message dated 97-05-15 17:49:44 EDT, you write:
If I get any more self-conscious, I might end up some sort of Hegelian
pretzel.
Can we get pictures? :-) :-)
But no matter. I've been on several feminist lists where men have
been rebuked for their style of debate. After a brief exchange,
In a message dated 97-05-15 17:42:10 EDT, you write:
Marshall Feldman wrote:
Now there's a
resurgence of local breweries, but their market share is small and
production does not have to be local. The "local" content is the recipe.
For instance, I think Boston's Sam Adams is brewed under
In a message dated 97-05-15 12:48:38 EDT, you write:
How has Maggie exhibited stamina just for
posting? I mean, I'm glad she does, but I don't recall anyone ever
singeing
her ever.
Well, it hasn't happened in quite some time--but I do recall some pretty
flamey stuff around the French rail
Dear Elaine;
Many times I put messages out there just because I get annoyed at the all
boys nature of the discussion. While some of the list participants do
discuss points with me, I note that frequently my comments receive no
response whatsoever--which is why most of my 'debating' gets done on
In a message dated 97-05-14 21:45:26 EDT, you write:
Sid:
Wasn't Charlene Bareshevsky involved, Maggie?
Maggie:
(Ah, the token woman. Did she take notes? :-)))
Seriously, this still doesn't take away from my basic argument which is that,
while not perfect (I noted in my original message
Well, I can't say I don't understand Terry's comments, but, another outcome
of chaos in the former ussr is the complete availability of nuclear weapons
to anyone with cash and the decline in caring for existing nuclear power,
making future chernobyls a probable threat. For instance, last winter
I think Max is right, there is a big difference between NAFTA and the EU.
First, NAFTA was put together by non-elected businessmen (all men, no women
allowed presumably). One of the goals was to form ways around government
standards for production and imports in member countries: i.e., all
I seem to have missed the original message(s). But, I think that the
earnings expansion is not a simple one. One of the main effects of
deregulation was to deunionize the industry. The year before the ATT
breakup, the industry was almost 100% unionized (though there are some really
About a month ago, for the benefit of all the agencies looking at the
"merger" of nynex/bell atlantic, bell atlantic announced that the new company
would lose about 3000 jobs. Today, a week after the finalization of the
"merger" they have announced a loss of 10-15,000 jobs. This corporate
The other support for consumption has been increasing personal debt. The
debt burden per person in the USA is the highest in the world. maggie
coleman [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Enough to keep wages down.
In a message dated 97-05-02 20:30:44 EDT, you write:
What is
the correct number of idle workers?
It is interesting that in the first year following the raise in minimum wage
unemployment is at its lowest level in decades. maggie coleman
[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Speaking of which, I went to see "Children of the Revolution" for May Day.
Did anyone else see it? If so--what did you think? maggie coleman
[EMAIL PROTECTED]
In a message dated 97-05-02 04:09:49 EDT, you write:
Subj: [PEN-L:9802] May Day
Date: 97-05-02 04:09:49 EDT
From: [EMAIL
I agree: (buut):
In a message dated 97-05-02 13:57:57 EDT, you write:
"And another thing!," he hectored
In its mad search for mathematical rigor, economics as a discipline has
gotten horribly cut off from the rest of intellectual life. Shouldn't
radical economists do something about that?
Doug, if you're interested, I could provide you with some cites for 19
century background material. maggie coleman [EMAIL PROTECTED]
I tried twice to send this directly to gerry, but it kept coming back. m
Gerry;
Anwar Shaikh still teaches at the New School in the Economics department.
Call 212-229-5717 and either ask for him or ask
the secretary how to get a copy of the paper.
maggie coleman [EMAIL PROTECTED]
In a
I watched a 60 minutes segment Sunday about the financial collapse of the
Russian army. The part that really caught my attention, though, is the fact
that by not paying their bills, the Russian nuclear submarines are in danger
of melting down because the equipment which keeps the temperatures
In a message dated 97-02-15 09:06:43 EST, you write:
man-hours
sigh. they just don't get it. maggie coleman [EMAIL PROTECTED]
For you new yorkers. maggie coleman [EMAIL PROTECTED]
PLEASE DISTRIBUTE, FORWARD, POST:
The legendary political theatre company
The Living Theatre
is conducting a workshop on our short
14 minute street theatre play
"Not In My Name"
we are looking for activists and
Try "Out of the Margin" edited by Edith Kuiper and Jolande Sap.
maggie coleman [EMAIL PROTECTED]
This also happened in the first half of the nineteenth century in
the states. Prior to the huge waves of Irish immigration starting in 1843,
there were a series of federal, state, and local reports which strongly
encouraged the use of women laborers in factories. It was said that
Tack ska du ha Trond. Men imperialismen bada den Svenska och Norska modelen
är nog lika bortskamt som imperialismen ifran dem engelsktalande lander.
Norge som pro Nato land och Sverige som pro tysk:) Och nu har Norge
olje!
For all the smug-imperialist English speakers, such as myself, here
In a message dated 97-01-11 09:45:03 EST, [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Doug Henwood)
writes:
At 10:17 PM 1/10/97, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Who is RuPaul? maggie
A 6-ft+ black drag queen - who I'm obviously not for several reasons.
Doug
Oh? Why, because you're not 6 ft tall. :)
maggie
In a message dated 97-01-11 09:45:03 EST, [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Doug Henwood)
writes:
At 10:17 PM 1/10/97, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Who is RuPaul? maggie
A 6-ft+ black drag queen - who I'm obviously not for several reasons.
Doug
Oh? Why, because you're not 6 ft tall. :)
maggie
Some yes, some no. The cotton gin in the south transformed cotton production
almost over night. However, the sewing machine was around for a few decades
before it came into wide use in shoe binding and ready made clothing.
Crompton's mule (mechanized yarn spinning) and other technology only
First, I did say, somewhere in my long message, that I think the BLS does a
good job given the limitations.
On the one hand, I agree that if contingency is not quantitatively such a
large issue for the working class, it should definitely be pointed out. On
the other hand, I think you are not
I still think that the definition of contingent work is important here. It
may be that the traditional definition of contingent as used by the BLS is
too narrow. For example, the building where I work used to be cleaned by
union members in a division called building services. Those jobs have
Doug, thanks for the info and a HAPPY NEW YEAR!!\
maggie coleman [EMAIL PROTECTED]
In a message dated 96-12-30 15:24:20 EST, [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Doug Henwood)
writes:
Subj: [PEN-L:7987] Re: Fwd: Re: cost of job loss
Date: 96-12-30 15:24:20 EST
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Doug Henwood)
I'm not sure how people are defining contingent work, but MANPOWER, INC., the
daily hiring agency used for restaurants and blue collar laboring work is now
the largest employer in the united states.
maggie coleman [EMAIL PROTECTED]
In a message dated 96-12-31 15:08:34 EST, [EMAIL PROTECTED]
What is the definition of 'core' inflation and what is the difference between
'core' inflation and inflation as measured by the cpi? Are the two types of
inflation defined in relation to each other or are they seperate?
maggie coleman [EMAIL PROTECTED]
In a message dated 96-12-30 14:09:07 EST,
In a message dated 96-12-12 11:30:17 EST, [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Max B. Sawicky)
writes:
JS has been a big disappointment to we nouveau-classicals (I've
started my own school of thought, with an enrollment of one),
MS
would you like some feminist analysis for your school of one?:)
maggie
at the risk of repeating what others have said, cpi data are subjective
because of the collected categories. it seems to me that if the data were
allowed to reflect just what was really collected, we'd be better off. so,
if cpi data is collected for a suburban food basket, let it reflect that
in a strange way, i think the answer is yes. third world countries do not
understand that dealing with the wb and imf means:
1. stripping their lands of natural resources
2. creating a burgeoning debt without requisite industrialization to pay it
off.
[am typing single handed, hence no caps --
while i think the following message is very important, imho, it leaves out
some important info:
1. in the 1830s,40s women were 40% of the prison pop in boston. if other
urban prisons followed suit, then it would be enlightening to see if there
are social/political patterns repeating
What ? No monster barring??? maggie coleman [EMAIL PROTECTED]
In a message dated 96-12-09 11:33:20 EST, [EMAIL PROTECTED] (James Michael
Craven) writes:
I just thought I would forward this from Darwin-L for food for
thought.
"The men of experiment are like the ant, they only
I list the ongoing conversation below, should anyone care to read, and read,
and... . Max, I don't think we disagree, I think we're just discussing
different aspects of a complex problem. Just to add some points:
1. I think, on balance, a publically funded trust would be better than
private
My initial quip was for Jason because we know each other relatively well, and
he was a TREMENDOUS help to me in grad school. However, I do think that
education from heterodox schools like the New School is far more useful in
the real world than education from bastions of neoclassical economics
The main reason SS is running into problems is that it is not a funded
account, it is an account which pays benefits out of current spending.
Shifting it over to a funded account would resolve the problem. Even a few
years of partial funding would significantly reduced the possibility of ss
In a message dated 96-12-04 16:01:33 EST, [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Doug Henwood)
writes:
Since the U.S. has one of the mildest aging problems of the OECD countries,
where will the outside money come from? Malaysia maybe?
Please to explain, I don't get it, do you mean that the U.S. is aging less
Hm, Jason, do you think this quote is referring to Chicago or the New
School?
maggie coleman [EMAIL PROTECTED]
In a message dated 96-12-02 18:03:57 EST, [EMAIL PROTECTED] (JASON HECHT)
writes:
Even on Wall Street, which has traditionally provided a rewarding
outlet for economists, there
BUT, BUT, BUT The women we are talking about, working class women of all
races (the largest percentage increase in teen births has been amongst
caucasian teens) do NOT go to college, nor do they receive professional
degrees. Work by Elaine McCrate and (I forgot the other author's name, oops)
I am teaching a course to undergraduates in the spring titled "The History of
American Business." My idea is to break it up into studying a few cases such
as:
*The transformation of the shoe industry in nineteenth century Lynn,
Mass.(Blewett)
* The history of railroads (Chandler).
My questions
Terry, what is your definition of rational? Are you saying that
rational does not coincide with good and justifiable? Or are you saying that
teenage women are incapable of rationality and only deserving of pity from us
more rational, older, academic beings? Are you saying that
Doug, I agree and disagree (hee, hee, hee, how's THAT for a pomo
answer?). Seriously, though, I think for women in the United States it is
easier to enter and leave marriage than it was 15 or 20 years ago. And I do
think that patriarchy has diminished in many areas of our society with
True, not all, but, in my experience, most. In fact, even on those rare
occasions where marriage is a truly equitable arrangement, the society at
large constrains the woman by expecting certain behavior of her in marriage.
Sooo, there is the marital relationship between the two individuals, and
My comments were in no way meant to absolve men from their responsibilities
in child rearing and I did not mean to imply that single parenting is a
pancea. My comments were in response to the wisdom of most mainstream
economists, which is that there is no rationality at all in women having
I find these following points very compelling. The rabid right to life
campaign against abortion has now made abortion completely unavailable in
something like 3/4 of all the states in the mainland usa.
maggie coleman [EMAIL PROTECTED]
The technology change analysis also must in some way deal
Doug is correct, a large part of the increase in 'unwed' births are due to
the decreased fertility of married women. Just to add a few more points:
1. The largest proportion of increase in 'unwed' births is to caucasian
women.
2. I think the decrease in births to married women is in part due
I've heard alot of pie in the sky ways of attracting investment, but this is
unique in my experience. maggie coleman [EMAIL PROTECTED]
I'm not sure about what technology shock is, but I do think the increase in
teen pregnancy is over stated. I believe I've said this before, the method
of reporting the statistics has more to do with the increase than actually
increasing teen births.
maggie coleman [EMAIL PROTECTED]
In a message dated 96-11-21 09:00:06 EST, [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Susan Feiner)
writes:
bj:Neo-Nazis on Net?
Date: 96-11-21 09:00:06 EST
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Susan Feiner)
Sender:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Reply-to: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Friends: this came to me via another list. I think
Hey, hey, HEY. It's MY turn to take over the world. maggie coleman
[EMAIL PROTECTED]
In a message dated 96-11-19 15:15:16 EST, [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Doug Henwood)
writes:
ubj: [PEN-L:7480] Re: more science!
Date: 96-11-19 15:15:16 EST
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Doug Henwood)
Sender:
Well, I wasn't going to jump in on this one, but --
Having a very slim knowledge of anthropology, there are some African tribes
that believe that the only reality is fantasy. That magic is reality and
physical reality is a manifestation of magic. Poisonally, I think there may
be some truth
What did the elephant say to the naked man?
"How do you eat with that thing?"
maggie coleman [EMAIL PROTECTED]
In a message dated 96-11-17 18:42:24 EST, [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Lourdes Beneria)
writes:
Subj: IAFFE at Taxco
Date: 96-11-17 18:42:24 EST
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Lourdes Beneria)
Sender:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Reply-to: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
CALL FOR PAPERS, PANELS,
This is a very interesting exit poll. The race categories are not a
surprise, and the fact that there are so many more white people certainly
skews the result in favor of whites opposed to aa. More interesting are the
age and income categories. Younger people are split right down the middle
In a message dated 96-11-07 14:06:11 EST, [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Myra
Strober) writes:
ubj: Affirmative Action in public employment and education is dead
Date: 96-11-07 14:06:11 EST
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Myra Strober)
Sender:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Reply-to: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
As you
But Equal Opportunity has been eradicated. maggie coleman [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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