> Date sent: Sat, 19 Oct 1996 13:36:12 -0700 (PDT) > Send reply to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > From: Walter Daum <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > Subject: [PEN-L:6791] Re: pen-l > I for one would object to Shawgi Tell's postings being barred from PEN-L. > > I don't read them all; very few, in fact. And much of the information > can be picked up from other left sources. But not all. There is hardly > anyone else, for example, keeping us posted on the pending Toronto > shutdown, a subject which ought to be of interest to progressive > economists. > > Walter Daum I join in this sentiment. We all have a different style in presenting and reacting to ideas. I read some of Shawgi Tell's missives and regard each one as a form of communication to which I am free to reply by hitting the return function thus creating a dialogue. When he has been personally attacked, he has refrained from personal invective and response merely asking the rhetorical "Why or on what basis do you argue this?". In the response to Shawgi it was said that he was being asked not to post on pen-l on the basis of a "consensus" which means on the basis of common agreement. I for one do not agree and furthermore do not appreciate my vote being cast by anyone but me. You may say perhaps on the basis of a majority, but that too would beg the question: on the basis of what type of mechanism or process was this "majority" determined.? Who knows the reasons for someone's passions and style of interaction or style of presenting ideas. I know some victims of the Nazi Holocaust who are very unrefined and very dogmatic when they are confronted with revisionist histories of the period and what can one say unless they have walked a mile in someone's shoes--which we can never really do. I have seen on this list individuals jumping through mental gymnastics and engaging in outright mystifications as they explore the subtle nuances of what I personally consider to be a totally evil and bankrupt paradigm--neoclassical "economics"--and engaging in what I personally consider to be "third derivativing off" as they form ignorant caricatures of opposition paradigms. But that's just my opinion and when I chose to express it I will and of course expect replies from those who do not share that opinion. I find this particular summary expulsion to be repulsive. Not because I am particularly in agreement with all of the content in Shawgi's missives but because I have never seen him address counter-responses through other than reasoned and measured responses. Perhaps a mere suggestion to limit posts--for all--to a given number per day or per week might be the answer rather than this type of summary action. Jim Craven *------------------------------------------------------------------* * James Craven * "The envelope is only defined--and * * Dept of Economics * expanded--by the test pilot who dares* * Clark College * to push it." * * 1800 E. McLoughlin Blvd. * (H.H. Craven Jr.(a gifted pilot) * * Vancouver, Wa. 98663 * * * (360) 992-2283 * "For those who have fought for it, * * [EMAIL PROTECTED] * freedom has a taste the protected * * * will never know." (Otto Von Bismark) * * * * * MY EMPLOYER HAS NO ASSOCIATION WITH MY PRIVATE/PROTECTED OPINION *