LOUIS P: Part of the problem is terminology. Paul Phillips uses the
word interchangeably with "unrealistic". You use it as a synonym for
irrelevant. I am much more prosaic. I use the word in the sense that
Engels and Marx used it. I guess I have spent too much time working
with computers and have a limited imagination.

KARL: It would seem to me that the above comments are merely a ruse 
to avoid concerning yourself on this list with the  serious issue of the 
status of marxism today. 

I do not use the term "utopian" or "utopianism" as merely 
another word for irrelevant. 

As for most of the rest of your message..................




                                      




                          Yours etc.,
                                     Karl   


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