Re: Charlie Andrews' book

2000-09-21 Thread Charles Brown
[EMAIL PROTECTED] 09/20/00 05:38PM Originally, Charles Brown (CB) wrote: CB: Do you happen to recall where Marx makes the distinction between "exchange value" and "value" ? I thought "value" was shorthand for "exchange value" in _Capital_. I wrote: For example, in the first section of

Re: Re: Charlie Andrews' book

2000-09-21 Thread Jim Devine
I wrote: Carbon is the common substance or factor in diamonds, pure coal, and Bucky balls. It is manifested in them. But we can't say that diamonds, pure coal, and Bucky balls are equal to Carbon. We can't use "Carbon" as short-hand for them. Rather, they are different forms of Carbon. saith

Charlie Andrews' book

2000-09-21 Thread Charles Brown
[EMAIL PROTECTED] 09/21/00 04:13PM I wrote: Carbon is the common substance or factor in diamonds, pure coal, and Bucky balls. It is manifested in them. But we can't say that diamonds, pure coal, and Bucky balls are equal to Carbon. We can't use "Carbon" as short-hand for them. Rather, they

Re: Charlie Andrews' book

2000-09-20 Thread Chris Burford
At 16:11 19/09/00 -0700, you wrote: I've only read the first 2 1/2 chapters of Charles (Charlie) Andrews' recent book, _From Capitalism to Equality_ (Needle Press, 2000), but so far I am quite impressed. One advantage he has compared to Marx is that he makes it clear from the beginning

Re: Re: Charlie Andrews' book

2000-09-20 Thread Jim Devine
One advantage he has compared to Marx is that he makes it clear from the beginning that exchange value is not the same as value. "The magnitude of value is the quantity of abstract labor required to _produce_ a commodity. The magnitude of exchange value, or price, is the amount of

Re: Charlie Andrews' book

2000-09-20 Thread Charles Brown
[EMAIL PROTECTED] 09/19/00 07:11PM I really like the discussion of value in chapter 2. Andrews distinguishes clearly between use-value, exchange value (relative prices), and value (socially-necessary abstract labor time). I knew the distinction, but it was fuzzy at times.

Re: Re: Charlie Andrews' book

2000-09-20 Thread Jim Devine
CB: Do you happen to recall where Marx makes the distinction between "exchange value" and "value" ? I thought "value" was shorthand for "exchange value" in _Capital_. For example, in the first section of ch. 1 of vol. 1, Marx writes that "if we abstract from their value, there remains

Re: Re: Charlie Andrews' book

2000-09-20 Thread Lisa Ian Murray
JD I wish Marx had been clearer about this. Andrews is, though he presents the issue very differently than I do here. One of the great things about Andrews' book is that he seems to say everything that Marx said, but in a different order that makes everything clearer. Following the 20th century

Re: Charlie Andrews' book

2000-09-20 Thread Michael Perelman
I want to say that the discussion of Charlie's book is very encouraging. I have only seen some early drafts of the book, but they were already excellent. I think that it is important to discuss and encourage each other's work, but now I have to sign off and go on to Sacramento for the day. --

Charlie Andrews' book

2000-09-20 Thread Charles Brown
[EMAIL PROTECTED] 09/20/00 02:46PM CB: Do you happen to recall where Marx makes the distinction between "exchange value" and "value" ? I thought "value" was shorthand for "exchange value" in _Capital_. For example, in the first section of ch. 1 of vol. 1, Marx writes that "if we

Re: Charlie Andrews' book

2000-09-20 Thread Jim Devine
Originally, Charles Brown (CB) wrote: CB: Do you happen to recall where Marx makes the distinction between "exchange value" and "value" ? I thought "value" was shorthand for "exchange value" in _Capital_. I wrote: For example, in the first section of ch. 1 of vol. 1, Marx writes that "if

Charlie Andrews' book

2000-09-19 Thread Jim Devine
I've only read the first 2 1/2 chapters of Charles (Charlie) Andrews' recent book, _From Capitalism to Equality_ (Needle Press, 2000), but so far I am quite impressed. So far, it's the clearest expositions of volume I of Marx's _Capital_ I've read. It's not just an exposition, of course,