Re: Collective wisdom

2004-05-25 Thread Devine, James
I wrote: My feeling is that [Condorcet] was saying that a jury of 12 would be more accurate in its processing of the facts they were given -- to make a _binary decision_ (guilty/not guilty) -- than would be a jury of 1 or 6, assuming that one of the two verdicts is actually valid. It's like

Re: Collective wisdom

2004-05-25 Thread Ted Winslow
Jim D. wrote: I think that profit-max is a better description of firms than utility-max is as a description of people. Again, I think the dominant view ignores alternative approaches. If capitalism is a social system whose characteristic relations generate psychopathology i.e. some degree of

Re: Collective wisdom

2004-05-25 Thread Devine, James
I wrote: I think that profit-max is a better description of firms than utility-max is as a description of people. Again, I think the dominant view ignores alternative approaches. If capitalism is a social system whose characteristic relations generate psychopathology i.e. some degree

Re: Collective wisdom

2004-05-25 Thread Michael Perelman
What I know of Taylor as a person comes from the long, One Best Way book. He was firmly aligned with the progressive movement. He did not seem crazy, but he certainly had personality defects. He saw himself as helping worker to gain a better life. I don't think that craziness is relevant to

Re: Collective wisdom

2004-05-25 Thread Ted Winslow
Michael Perelman wrote: I don't think that craziness is relevant to the evaluation of a person. I would not change my mind about Bush if someone convinced me that he were mentally unbalanced or if he were healthy. At the same time, I think that mental states are relevant in forgiving people. I

Re: Collective wisdom

2004-05-24 Thread Devine, James
was throwing more weight behind the collective wisdom idea (and then, as Ted may have noticed, criticizing it). My feeling is that C was saying that a jury of 12 would be more accurate in its processing of the facts they were given -- to make a _binary decision_ (guilty/not guilty) -- than would

Re: Collective wisdom

2004-05-24 Thread Ted Winslow
Jim wrote: My feeling is that C was saying that a jury of 12 would be more accurate in its processing of the facts they were given -- to make a _binary decision_ (guilty/not guilty) -- than would be a jury of 1 or 6, assuming that one of the two verdicts is actually valid. It's like saying two

Collective wisdom

2004-05-23 Thread Louis Proyect
NY Times Book Review, May 22, 2004 'The Wisdom of Crowds': Problem Solving Is a Team Sport By SCOTT McLEMEE THE WISDOM OF CROWDS Why the Many Are Smarter Than the Few and How Collective Wisdom Shapes Business, Economics, Societies, and Nations. By James Surowiecki. 296 pp. New York: Doubleday

Re: Collective wisdom

2004-05-23 Thread Ted Winslow
James Surowieki wrote: Generations of advertisers and business gurus have banked on the premises of Sigmund Freud's ''Group Psychology and the Analysis of the Ego,'' a slender volume with a big argument: when people assemble en masse, all the raw material making up the individual psyche (libido,

Collective wisdom

2004-05-23 Thread Craven, Jim
James Surowieki wrote: Generations of advertisers and business gurus have banked on the premises of Sigmund Freud's ''Group Psychology and the Analysis of the Ego,'' a slender volume with a big argument: when people assemble en masse, all the raw material making up the individual psyche (libido,

Re: Collective wisdom

2004-05-23 Thread Devine, James
: Louis Proyect [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Sun 5/23/2004 9:44 AM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Cc: Subject: [PEN-L] Collective wisdom NY Times Book Review, May 22, 2004 'The Wisdom of Crowds': Problem Solving Is a Team Sport

Re: Collective wisdom

2004-05-23 Thread Ted Winslow
Jim Devine wrote: In his classical contribution Condorcet (1785) described a committee as a mechanism that eciently aggregates decentralized information. In his famous jury theorem he argues that (i) increasing the number of informed committee members raises the probability that an appropriate

Re: Collective wisdom

2004-05-23 Thread michael
I am just now getting started on getting caught up on my back reading. Daniel Kahneman's Nobel lecture (American Economic Review, December 2003) is relevant to this article and he distinguishes between two types of mental process: reasoning and intuition. One works on an emotional level; the