Diversion worked

2004-05-07 Thread soula avramidis
the recent apology by DUBYA is taking its toll on arab regimes that tortured and failed to apologise. there is american pie for you. Isn't it better to keep in place an apologetic torturer instead of an arab torturer that does it with impunity? valid questions that also sway arab public opinion

Re: Diversion

2004-05-05 Thread soula avramidis
I do not doubt for a minute that the war is a manifestation of the crisis in the centre and the grab for supremacy in a global order.I do not doubt for a moment that history makes all and people will make history in a moment of glory as they please which means that people win and win decisively.

Diversion

2004-05-04 Thread soula avramidis
The talk about torture is diverting opinion from occupation.. typical Israeli tactic create new facts on the grounds to make old ones go away.. western public opinion is mesmerized by torture because essentially western working classes are benefiting to varying degrees from the subordination of

Re: Diversion

2004-05-04 Thread joanna bujes
soula avramidis wrote: The talk about torture is diverting opinion from occupation.. typical Israeli tactic create new facts on the grounds to make old ones go away.. western public opinion is mesmerized by torture because essentially western working classes are benefiting to varying degrees from

Diversion of resources, Part II

2004-03-30 Thread Michael Pollak
First the military diverted specialized forces from Afghanistan to Iraq: URL: http://www.usatoday.com/usatonline/20040329/6056156s.htm And now the same process is being carried out by the free market: URL: http://www.nytimes.com/2004/03/30/politics/30MILI.html Michael

Re: Diversion of resources, Part II

2004-03-30 Thread Devine, James
but isn't the free market simply the embodiment of the military? or is it vice-versa? ;-) Jim Devine [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://bellarmine.lmu.edu/~jdevine First the military diverted specialized forces from Afghanistan to Iraq: URL:

Diversion of resources

2004-03-29 Thread Michael Pollak
Headline on one of the front page articles in today's FT: Afghanistan in danger of reverting to terror breeding ground, warns UN and the pullout quote is: The report notes Iraq receives '10 times as much development assistance with [a similar] population.' Michael

sinister diversion

2002-06-12 Thread Dan Scanlan
Tim Bousquet wrote.. And it's very supportable. Sweeney has lots of bombing in his past, including an explosion at the Santa Rosa airport, and was apparently close to people who blew up a BofA. There are other circumstantial evidence that raise large questions. (Sweeny could lay the whole thing

Update on Jet diversion

2001-10-26 Thread Ken Hanly
Interesting that the jet was diverted by US fighters from Minot N.D. It would have been interesting if the fighters had decided the jet was bound for the AFB at Minot and shot down all the executives. Were sorry, collateral damage. Cheers, Ken Hanly Jet headed to Washington diverted to

Re: Against Psychologism (was Re:Anti-Eurocentrism: Idealist Diversion from Anti-racism/anti-imperialism)

2000-04-14 Thread Ted Winslow
Yoshie wrote: Keynes' remarks demonstrate that an explanation of post-modernism (or anti-anti-Eurocentrism, for that matter) should be neither psychologized nor generalized. For instance, such psychologization allows one to argue that a criticism of post-modernism = self-righteous

Anti-Eurocentrism: Idealist Diversion from Anti-racism/anti-imperialism

2000-04-12 Thread Carrol Cox
The ongoing critique in scholastic circles of "euro-centrism" more and more appears as a member of that large family of ideological persuasions generally called "post-modernism," defined here as a purely academic compensation for the material defeats the movements of the '60s Karl and

Re: Anti-Eurocentrism: Idealist Diversion from Anti-racism/anti-imperialism

2000-04-12 Thread Jim Devine
At 09:34 AM 4/12/00 -0500, you wrote: The trick is to reverse cause and effect, and by attacking the effects (which exist purely in the superstructure of rarified scholastic dispute) we can soothe feelings wounded by our inability to oppose effectively the victories of racism and imperialism

Re: Anti-Eurocentrism: Idealist Diversion from Anti-racism/anti-imperialism

2000-04-12 Thread Louis Proyect
Carrol Cox wrote: The ongoing critique in scholastic circles of "euro-centrism" more and more appears as a member of that large family of ideological persuasions generally called "post-modernism," defined here as a purely academic compensation for the material defeats the movements of the

Re: Anti-Eurocentrism: Idealist Diversion fromAnti-racism/anti-imperialism

2000-04-12 Thread Charles Brown
Yes, the radical, communist term for "Eurocentrism" is "White Supremacy" CB Carrol Cox [EMAIL PROTECTED] 04/12/00 10:34AM The ongoing critique in scholastic circles of "euro-centrism" more and more appears as a member of that large family of ideological persuasions generally called

Anti-Eurocentrism: Idealist Diversion fromAnti-racism/anti-imperialism (fwd)

2000-04-12 Thread md7148
I agree; anti-eurocentrism carries the danger of post-modernism. I would add, however, not every critique of eurocentricism should inevitably lead to post-modernism. Samir Amin has an excellent book called _Eurocentricism_; Samir is not a post-modernist; he is a marxist; or GAyatri Spivak,

Re: Anti-Eurocentrism: Idealist Diversion from Anti-racism/anti-imperialism

2000-04-12 Thread Michael Hoover
"eurocentrism" needs to be retired from our vocabulary, since it acts only to deflect attention from the ills it pretends to name. Carrol Term 'eurocentrism' is problematic although conception that eurocentrism is colonizer's model of world (as jim blaut, no postmodernist, calls it) seesm

Re: Re: Anti-Eurocentrism: Idealist Diversion from Anti-racism/anti-imperialism

2000-04-12 Thread Louis Proyect
Term 'eurocentrism' is problematic although conception that eurocentrism is colonizer's model of world (as jim blaut, no postmodernist, calls it) seesm generally agreeable. Term can, however, flatten complexity of european culture and history that includes peripheral regions, social classes,

Re: Anti-Eurocentrism: Idealist Diversion from Anti-racism/anti-imperialism

2000-04-12 Thread Rod Hay
I think, I agree with everything that Carrol says. It is a point that I have tried to make several times, although much less elegantly. The responses that I have seen so far seem to miss the point (in my opinion) of Carrol's post and of Marx and Engels' critique of critical criticism.

Re: Re: Anti-Eurocentrism: Idealist Diversion from Anti-racism/anti-imperialism

2000-04-12 Thread Louis Proyect
Naming calling lets off frustration, but silencing an "opponent" is a pretty hollow victory. And advances the cause not at all. And then, there are those who delight in disrupting left discourse, with shouting denunciations of ill defined crimes, that the perpetrator couldn't possible

Anti-Eurocentrism: Idealist Diversion from An

2000-04-12 Thread Ricardo Duchesne
Spivak should just settle down and stop feeling guilty about her big western salary; I mean, at least she uses some of it for her two per year trips to India in her struggle against eurocentrism. I agree; anti-eurocentrism carries the danger of post-modernism. I would add, however, not

Re: Re: Anti-Eurocentrism: Idealist Diversion from Anti-racism/anti-imperialism

2000-04-12 Thread Doug Henwood
Rod Hay wrote: I think, I agree with everything that Carrol says. It is a point that I have tried to make several times, although much less elegantly. The responses that I have seen so far seem to miss the point (in my opinion) of Carrol's post and of Marx and Engels' critique of critical

Re: Anti-Eurocentrism: Idealist Diversion from An

2000-04-12 Thread Mathew Forstater
The critique of eurocentrism has been around a lot longer and independently of postmodern anything. Only those who only heard of "eurocentrism" in the last ten years or who only know of it through pomo would emphasize a link between pomo and the critique of eurocentrism. Much pomo itself is

Re: Anti-Eurocentrism: Idealist Diversion from An

2000-04-12 Thread Dennis R Redmond
On Wed, 12 Apr 2000, Ricardo Duchesne wrote: Spivak should just settle down and stop feeling guilty about her big western salary; I mean, at least she uses some of it for her two per year trips to India in her struggle against eurocentrism. And wrote some classic books on neocolonialism. And

Anti-Eurocentrism: Idealist Diversion from An (fwd)

2000-04-12 Thread md7148
this is quite irrelevant to the point. a lot of liberals who call themselves marxists are writing in the magazines that benefit from the system, and filling their pockets. most of them have secure positions in universities. they get western salaries. this is NOT the ONLY problem of Spivak...this

Re: Anti-Eurocentrism: Idealist Diversion fromAnti-racism/anti-imperialism

2000-04-12 Thread Ted Winslow
Carrol Cox wrote: that large family of ideological persuasions generally called "post-modernism," defined here as a purely academic compensation for the material defeats the movements of the '60s Karl and Frederick described this sort of maneuver rather well in *The German Ideology*. If

Re: Re: Anti-Eurocentrism: Idealist Diversion fromAnti-racism/anti-imperialism

2000-04-12 Thread Louis Proyect
Ted Winslow: An important psychological factor in each case is "compensation" in the form of disguised satisfaction of motives that would generate intolerable anxiety if expressed and pursued consciously. The unconscious motivation is murderous, sadistic hate. In each of the cases above, this

Re: Anti-Eurocentrism: Idealist Diversion from Anti-racism/anti-imperialism

2000-04-12 Thread Chris Burford
At 09:34 12/04/00 -0500, Carrol wrote: The ongoing critique in scholastic circles of "euro-centrism" more and more appears as a member of that large family of ideological persuasions generally called "post-modernism," defined here as a purely academic compensation for the material defeats

Re: Anti-Eurocentrism: Idealist Diversion from An (fwd)

2000-04-12 Thread md7148
The critique of eurocentrism has been around a lot longer and independently ofpostmodern anything. Only those who only heard of "eurocentrism" in the last ten years or who only know of it through pomo would emphasize a link between pomo and the critique of eurocentrism. Much pomo itself is

Re: Anti-Eurocentrism: Idealist Diversion fromAnti-racism/anti-imperialism (fwd)

2000-04-12 Thread md7148
classes, marginalized and stigmatized peoples. Simplistic inversion positing europe as 'evil' and turning colonialist model on its head remains eurocentric since focus remains on Europe (and lets third world elites off hook). Michael Hoover historically speaking, there were

Re: Re: Anti-Eurocentrism: Idealist Diversion fromAnti-racism/anti-imperialism (fwd)

2000-04-12 Thread Rob Schaap
G'day Mine, as Marx said in the Communist Manifesto, working classes should "settle accounts with their own bourgeoisie first". Evidence is Soviet and Chinese communism, and other anti-imperialist struggles around the globe. That's old evidence, Mine. How'd you reckon a working class