Re: Re: E.Wood's defence of Brenner

2000-10-29 Thread Brad DeLong
How (or do) the characters in watterson's "calvin and hobbes" reflect the characters and/or philosophy of their respective namesakes? Damned if I know. It did make for more interesting handouts in Early Modern Political Thought courses for a while... Brad DeLong

Re: Re: E.Wood's defence of Brenner

2000-10-28 Thread Rob Schaap
G'day Penpals, Haven't read the particular EMW book in question, but ... Sez Ricardo: Right. Wood would call those Italian "bourgeois", not capitalists. Myself am not convinced by Wood's facile definition of mercantile wealth as mere "buying cheap and selling dear". Here's the proud Italian

Re: E.Wood's defence of Brenner

2000-10-28 Thread martin schiller
Rob Schaap said on 10/28/00 7:33 AM G'day Penpals, snipped And all this before (as is only right for a materialist, whose first duty to himself is to avoid being tarred with the Weberian brush) we get a volatile but productive engagement of protestant spirits (the English reformationist

E.Wood's defence of Brenner

2000-10-27 Thread Ricardo Duchesne
Charles, How else can I say it: the issue is Wood's book *The Origin of Capitalism*, and her interpretation of Brenner (which she has made it her own as well). I repeat, the issue is Wood. If you or anybody here think my reading of this little book is wrong, then show it. All this talk

Re: E.Wood's defence of Brenner

2000-10-27 Thread Yoshie Furuhashi
Ricardo writes: she simply ignored my question (except for a few more 's) when I asked her how she came came to the view that Brenner was writing about Africa and colonialism in the passages she cited from him. That's because I had already posted the passage shortly before I wrote the post to

Re: E.Wood's defence of Brenner

2000-10-27 Thread Charles Brown
[EMAIL PROTECTED] 10/27/00 12:15PM Charles, How else can I say it: the issue is Wood's book *The Origin of Capitalism*, and her interpretation of Brenner (which she has made it her own as well). I repeat, the issue is Wood. If you or anybody here think my reading of this little book is

E.Wood's defence of Brenner

2000-10-27 Thread Ricardo Duchesne
Yoshie, let's you leave at that; I just don't see anything in what you cited from Brenner which goes against what I said Wood says. If you think Brenner has to be combined with Wallerstein, that's fine too. But I can assure you that Wood in particular would never combine them (neither would

Re: E.Wood's defence of Brenner

2000-10-26 Thread Ricardo Duchesne
CB: By this thesis, what explains the fact that capitalism , in fact, went on to establish a very big colonial system ? Was that not a necessary development ? Was that not the result of part of the "essence" of the novel mode ? As you say, it "went on to"; I mean it is possible that

Re: E.Wood's defence of Brenner

2000-10-26 Thread Charles Brown
[EMAIL PROTECTED] 10/26/00 08:54AM CB: By this thesis, what explains the fact that capitalism , in fact, went on to establish a very big colonial system ? Was that not a necessary development ? Was that not the result of part of the "essence" of the novel mode ? As you say, it "went

Re: RE: E.Wood's defence of Brenner

2000-10-25 Thread Ricardo Duchesne
The passage from Wood's book which Proyect just quoted is her answer to this question. But I do agree - and this was in the back of my mind as I was writing that post - that she misses completely the Williams school and its contention that the rise of capitalism was a coercive act through

E.Wood's defence of Brenner

2000-10-25 Thread Ricardo Duchesne
If Weber took a step towards appreciating the "uniqueness" of modern capitalism - albeit in an idealistic direction - Karl Polanyi was the one scholar who truly appreciated how different, how unusual modern capitalism was: disembedded and unconstrained by any social relation or norm except

Re: E.Wood's defence of Brenner

2000-10-25 Thread Ricardo Duchesne
Careful student of Marx that he was, Dobb insisted that modern capitalism was a unique mode of production representing both a particular set of productive forces and of class relations. The point was to look for that dynamic within the feudal mode which let to the rise of a new mode. And

Re: Re: E.Wood's defence of Brenner

2000-10-25 Thread Louis Proyect
Ricardo Duchesne: When Wood (and Brenner) tell us that capitalism is not commerce they mean it. Capitalism did not grow naturally out of anything that preceded it; it is so unknown in history, so novel, exceptional and incomparable, that when it came, it did so "fully fledged". (Those who

Re: E.Wood's defence of Brenner

2000-10-25 Thread Charles Brown
[EMAIL PROTECTED] 10/25/00 02:56PM When Wood (and Brenner) tell us that capitalism is not commerce they mean it. Capitalism did not grow naturally out of anything that preceded it; it is so unknown in history, so novel, exceptional and incomparable, that when it came, it did so "fully

E.Wood's defence of Brenner

2000-10-24 Thread Ricardo Duchesne
*The Origin of Capitalism* is an all-too-brief (131-page) book. The grand title is more a reflection of absolute conviction (and defiance against alternate explanations) than an indication of someone secured that they have established thorough control over the field. If the book is small,

RE: E.Wood's defence of Brenner

2000-10-24 Thread Forstater, Mathew
The view that Walter Rodney, Eric Williams, or contemporary proponents of the Williams-Rodney thesis such as Darity or Ronald Bailey, see capitalism in terms of "opportunity" as opposed to coercion, or that they are promoting a model of Smithian commercialism, or that they see the absence of

E.Wood's defence of Brenner

2000-10-23 Thread Ricardo Duchesne
A week ago I told Michael I was going to sub again, and he has allowed me (or so I think since he did not block my attempt). Maybe I have another chance. I have been under probation before, as a BA student at McGill when my GPA was under 1 point. But I failed again and was dismissed. I just

(Fwd) Re: E.Wood's defence of Brenner

2000-10-23 Thread Ricardo Duchesne
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Re: E.Wood's defence of Brenner

2000-10-23 Thread Ricardo Duchesne
Before I respond to Rob, I should correct big blunder I made below when I suggested that Brenner privileges 17th century; he does not, it is the 16th, which thus means that Wood is following Brenner closely on this point as well: except that it [Wood's book] no longer privileges the

Re: E.Wood's defence of Brenner

2000-10-23 Thread Ricardo Duchesne
Rob: Sez the big fella of the late 15th and early 16th centuries: 'In insolent conflict with king and parliament, the great feudal lords created an incomparably larger proletariat by the forcible driving of the peasantry from the land, to which the latter had the same feudal right as the lord