economy in novels: booklist

2002-11-21 Thread David Zimmerman
Here are two book lists. The first lists the major texts of a graduate course I teach on "19th-Century American Literature and the Marketplace" (I am a literature professor). They're not all novels. The second lists books of literary criticism that focus on pre-20th-century American and British

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2002-11-15 Thread Mohammad Maljoo
-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: [PEN-L:32216] Re: Re: economy in novels Date: Thu, 14 Nov 2002 09:35:15 -0800 Stephen Hymer's Monthly Review article on Robinson Crusoe is an excellent example of using novels to teach economics. -- Michael Perelman Economics Department

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2002-11-15 Thread Michael Hoover
A student wants to read some novels to compare the views on capitalism they portray. Any suggestions? (something more contemporary than, say, Dickens' Hard Times). Post-WWII or thereabouts. Thanks, Mat jack conroy's 'the disinherited', meridel lesuer's 'the girl' (both depression era)...

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2002-11-15 Thread Tom Walker
Oh, I almost forgot to mention Walter Brierley's The Sandwichman, 1937. I recommended this one before in reply to a Pen-l thread a couple of years ago on Workplace Literature. So I'll just recycle my 2 1/2 year old message: Louis Proyect wrote or quoted: Marx warned that, in a capitalist system,

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2002-11-14 Thread Katherine Campbell
A student wants to read some novels to compare the views on capitalism they portray. Any suggestions? (something more contemporary than, say, Dickens' Hard Times). Post-WWII or thereabouts. Thanks, Mat The Cave by Jose Saramago? New translation reviewed in today's Christian Science Monitor.

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2002-11-14 Thread Yoshie Furuhashi
A student wants to read some novels to compare the views on capitalism they portray. Any suggestions? (something more contemporary than, say, Dickens' Hard Times). Post-WWII or thereabouts. Thanks, Mat * ...In the morning I walked to the bank. I went to the automated teller machine to

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2002-11-14 Thread Michael Pollak
On Thu, 14 Nov 2002, Mat Forstater wrote: A student wants to read some novels to compare the views on capitalism they portray. Any suggestions? (something more contemporary than, say, Dickens' Hard Times). Post-WWII or thereabouts. I think the greatest of all time is _JR_ by William Gaddis.

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2002-11-14 Thread Christian Gregory
Hey Mat, A friend (you know who you are) recently turned me on to Gaddis' _JR_. [It's difficult, but (so far) interesting.] If your student doesn't want something quite so formally experimental, he might try Richard Powers' _Gain_ (which is really great); Paul Erdman wrote dimestore econ novels

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2002-11-14 Thread Tom Walker
The Scarlet Empire, David M. Parry, 1906. This one is definitely not post WWII, but it is notable for its explicit treatment of the point of view of American right-wing industrialists. Parry was president of the National Association of Manufacturers at the time he wrote the novel and the N.A.M.

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2002-11-14 Thread Yoshie Furuhashi
A student wants to read some novels to compare the views on capitalism they portray. Any suggestions? (something more contemporary than, say, Dickens' Hard Times). Post-WWII or thereabouts. Thanks, Mat * ...Our sentence does not sound severe. Whatever commandment the prisoner has

Re: economy in novels

2002-11-14 Thread joanna bujes
At 08:31 PM 11/13/2002 -0600, you wrote: A student wants to read some novels to compare the views on capitalism they portray. Any suggestions? (something more contemporary than, say, Dickens' Hard Times). Post-WWII or thereabouts. Thanks, Mat These three are roughly about the same time period:

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2002-11-14 Thread Carrol Cox
Yoshie Furuhashi wrote: (Franz Kafka, In the Penal Colony The Christian criticism of the 1940s and 1950s turned this work upside down, into a justification of Divine Justice. Carrol

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2002-11-14 Thread Michael Perelman
Stephen Hymer's Monthly Review article on Robinson Crusoe is an excellent example of using novels to teach economics. -- Michael Perelman Economics Department California State University Chico, CA 95929 Tel. 530-898-5321 E-Mail [EMAIL PROTECTED]

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2002-11-14 Thread Devine, James
Title: RE: [PEN-L:32217] Re: Re: economy in novels no, they count as propaganda. They use a lot of references to things that are true (according to current knowledge) to back up a world-view that says that markets are the natural state of the world and the best way of doing things (perhaps

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2002-11-14 Thread Michael Perelman
Do most economics principles texts count as fiction? -- Michael Perelman Economics Department California State University Chico, CA 95929 Tel. 530-898-5321 E-Mail [EMAIL PROTECTED]

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2002-11-14 Thread Michael Pollak
On Thu, 14 Nov 2002, Devine, James wrote: Do most economics principles texts count as fiction? No, they count as propaganda. It's possible for something to be both, even to be great at both, to be great literature and great propaganda. Shakespeare's _Richard III_, for example. Michael

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2002-11-14 Thread Yoshie Furuhashi
Yoshie Furuhashi wrote: (Franz Kafka, In the Penal Colony The Christian criticism of the 1940s and 1950s turned this work upside down, into a justification of Divine Justice. Carrol Here's a bit about Kafka's life that Mat might pass to his student, in case s/he gets hermeneutically

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2002-11-14 Thread Yoshie Furuhashi
A student wants to read some novels to compare the views on capitalism they portray. Any suggestions? (something more contemporary than, say, Dickens' Hard Times). Post-WWII or thereabouts. Thanks, Mat J.K. Huysmans, _Against the Grain [A Rebours]_ (1884), Chapter 16: * After the

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2002-11-14 Thread Carrol Cox
Perphaps Goebels succeeded utterly in hijacking the word propaganda, but in the 70 years or so since that hijacking, no one has really come up with a word to serve the original quite neutral or even positive meaning of the term -- namely, truthful writing intended to deepen the understanding of

Re: economy in novels

2002-11-14 Thread Michael Pollak
On Thu, 14 Nov 2002, Carrol Cox wrote: Perphaps Goebels succeeded utterly in hijacking the word propaganda, but in the 70 years or so since that hijacking, no one has really come up with a word to serve the original quite neutral or even positive meaning of the term -- namely, truthful

Re: Economy in novels

2002-11-14 Thread Hari Kumar
I am impressed by both the scope of offerings - and the volume of replies to this question! I am surprised however, by the lack of The Jungle by old Upton Sinclair; the lack of Ragged Trousered Philanthropists by Robert Tressel (altho' I guess it could be classed as old - tho' if Shakespeare's

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2002-11-14 Thread Carrol Cox
Michael Pollak wrote: On Thu, 14 Nov 2002, Carrol Cox wrote: Perhaps so, but that's not what's going on in the case of Richard III. It's propaganda in sense of being a lie. I agree it was a lie -- but sticking to the old vocabulary, it was (lying) agitation rather than (lying)

Re: economy in novels

2002-11-14 Thread joanna bujes
Oh, of course, I left out the old testament of capitalism Robinson Crusoe and the new testament Lost Illusions (Balzac) cause you said you wanted more modern stuff. Joanna

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2002-11-14 Thread Charles Jannuzi
I am surprised however, by the lack of The Jungle by old Upton Sinclair There are other worthwile works (I mean authored by others) of the muckraking period to consider. I'd start listing some, but, to be honest, I'm not paid to maintain my interest in 19th and early 20th century American

Re: Economy in novels

2002-11-14 Thread Charles Jannuzi
The whole book is at gosh.com Sister Carrie, by Theodore Dreiser The Lure Of The Material--Beauty Speaks For Itself The true meaning of money yet remains to be popularly explained and comprehended. When each individual realises for himself that this thing primarily stands for and

economy in novels

2002-11-13 Thread Forstater, Mathew
A student wants to read some novels to compare the views on capitalism they portray. Any suggestions? (something more contemporary than, say, Dickens' Hard Times). Post-WWII or thereabouts. Thanks, Mat

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2002-11-13 Thread Yoshie Furuhashi
A student wants to read some novels to compare the views on capitalism they portray. Any suggestions? (something more contemporary than, say, Dickens' Hard Times). Post-WWII or thereabouts. Thanks, Mat Herman Melville, The Paradise of Bachelors and the Tartarus of Maids (1855) [a short story]

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2002-11-13 Thread Yoshie Furuhashi
A student wants to read some novels to compare the views on capitalism they portray. Any suggestions? (something more contemporary than, say, Dickens' Hard Times). Post-WWII or thereabouts. Thanks, Mat Here's Lu Xun's view of feudalism, capitalism, and imperialism A Madman's Diary [From

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2002-11-13 Thread Charles Jannuzi
I can get you to between the wars: Dos Passos (better than Fitzgerald or Sinclair Lewis, if you ask me). The stuff Frank Norris did in the late 19th century is very interesting as well. CJ __ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Web Hosting - Let the expert

Re: economy in novels

2002-11-13 Thread Yoshie Furuhashi
At 8:59 PM -0800 11/13/02, Charles Jannuzi wrote: The stuff Frank Norris did in the late 19th century is very interesting as well. * At Marcus's shout McTeague looked up and around him. For the instant he saw no one. The white glare of alkali was still unbroken. Then his swiftly