Environmentalism and the American Socialist

2000-05-08 Thread Ricardo Duchesne
Not trying to tease - and would rather have this post ignored - but really, how can anyone try to make Marx into some ecologist just on the basis of a few pages in Capital on soil fertility. Foster would accomplish alot more if he stop projecting his own thoughts onto Marx, and simply present

Re: Environmentalism and the American Socialist

2000-05-08 Thread Louis Proyect
Richard Duchesne: Not trying to tease - and would rather have this post ignored - but really, how can anyone try to make Marx into some ecologist just on the basis of a few pages in Capital on soil fertility. Foster would accomplish alot more if he stop projecting his own thoughts onto Marx,

Re: Re: Environmentalism and the American Socialist

2000-05-08 Thread Michael Perelman
Louis not quite here. It was only with the onset of the Cotton Famine that they began to take the environment seriously. I have written in my Marx book that he took the environment more seriously than he let on because he feared giving too much credence to the Malthusians. Louis Proyect wrote:

Re: Re: Environmentalism and the American Socialist

2000-05-08 Thread Jim Devine
Richard Duchesne: Not trying to tease - and would rather have this post ignored - but really, how can anyone try to make Marx into some ecologist just on the basis of a few pages in Capital on soil fertility. Foster would accomplish alot more if he stop projecting his own thoughts onto

Re: Environmentalism and the American Socialist

2000-05-08 Thread Doug Henwood
Ricardo Duchesne wrote: Not trying to tease - and would rather have this post ignored - but really, how can anyone try to make Marx into some ecologist just on the basis of a few pages in Capital on soil fertility. Foster would accomplish alot more if he stop projecting his own thoughts onto

Re: Re: Re: Environmentalism and the American Socialist

2000-05-08 Thread Rod Hay
I would have to side with Lou here. Marx did write about the relations between society and nature throughout his career. Otherwise, it is impossible to discuss human labour. His life long interest in the works of Aristotle and Hegel indicate that. That is not the same as saying that "took the

Re: Re: Re: Re: Environmentalism and the American Socialist

2000-05-08 Thread Michael Perelman
Rod, what Marx wrote early on about nature was relatively utopian and naive. Only after the US Civil war did he begin to look more deeply. Rod Hay wrote: I would have to side with Lou here. Marx did write about the relations between society and nature throughout his career. Otherwise, it is

Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Environmentalism and the American Socialist

2000-05-08 Thread Rod Hay
Michael. I am making a distinction between writing about nature and writing about the environment. What he wrote about nature or more correctly about the mediate and immediate relations of purposeful human activity to nature (i.e. labour), is on a fairly abstract philosophical level. When he

Environmentalism and the American Socialist

2000-05-07 Thread Louis Proyect
[To a very large extent, the work of John Bellamy Foster and Paul Burkett has been dedicated to re-establishing the ties between Marxism and ecology, which had existed during Marx's own career as demonstrated by his concern with the problem of soil fertility. So when Marxists of earlier