Is it time to defrost the tundra, Shrub?
Regards,
Mike B)
from the London Independent:
By Geoffrey Lean, Environment Editor
28 March 2004
Levels of carbon dioxide in the atmosphere have jumped
abruptly, raising fears that global warming may be
accelerating out of control.
Measurements by US
of climatic change.
A group of eminent UK scientists recently visited the White House to voice
their fears over global warming, part of an intensifying drive to get the
US to treat the issue seriously. Sources have told The Observer that
American officials appeared extremely sensitive about
to reduce the rate of climatic
change.
A group of eminent UK scientists recently visited the White House to
voice their fears over global warming, part of an intensifying drive
to get the US to treat the issue seriously. Sources have told The
Observer that American officials appeared extremely
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From: Eugene Coyle [EMAIL PROTECTED]
This account is very misleading. They report a Pentagon What if...
exercise as a Pentagon prediction.
There is a frightening possibility that sudden climate change can occur,
with some of the outcomes described here. But this
'Disruption and conflict will be endemic features of life,' concludes
the Pentagon analysis. 'Once again, warfare would define human life.'
doesn't it _already_ define human life for them?
Jim D.
And of some importance... just what are we supposed to conclude from this
Pentagon speculation? That the bourgeoisie are now trying to curb their
less enlightened members who want to pillage and loot in order to give the
more enlightened more time to set the stage for pillaging and looting?
And
in Washington.
- Original Message -
From: Louis Proyect [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Sunday, February 22, 2004 8:28 AM
Subject: [PEN-L] Secret Pentagon report on global warming
Now the Pentagon tells Bush: climate change will destroy us
· Secret report warns of rioting and nuclear
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From: Marvin Gandall [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Details of this report first appeared in Fortune magazine last month.
Today's Observer article is a more sensational recycling of the already
sensational story which Fortune reporter David Stipp broke last month.
And the
Chronicle of Higher Education, September 5, 2003
Storm Brews Over Global Warming
Scientists question how a controversial paper made it to print, and to
the U.S. Senate
By RICHARD MONASTERSKY
Hans von Storch did not have time to start his job before sitting down
to write his resignation letter
The Chronicle wrote:
But at the hearing, Michael E. Mann, an assistant professor of
environmental sciences at the University of Virginia, attacked the
study in language unusually blunt for a scientist. I believe it is
the mainstream view of just about every scientist in my field that I
have
NY Times, Dec. 3, 2002
Can Global Warming Be Studied Too Much?
By ANDREW C. REVKIN
WASHINGTON, Dec. 2 On Tuesday, the Bush administration convenes a
three-day meeting here to set its new agenda for research on climate
change. But many climate experts who will attend say talking about more
Farewell Tuvalu 1 of 2
Comment
Farewell Tuvalu
Andrew Simms
Monday October 29, 2001
The Guardian
The world has just shifted on its axis, but not in the way you might first
imagine. A group of nine islands, home to 11,000 people, is the first
nation to pay the ultimate price for global warming
Global warming: sue the US now
Stephen Timms
Wednesday July 25, 2001
The Guardian
When all else fails, go to court. That could be the conclusion of
exasperated poor countries as the rich world falls out over how to
deal with climate change - and the biggest polluter, the United
States, still
.
Financial Times, Mar 30, 2001
INTERNATIONAL ECONOMY/SCIENTIFIC ARGUMENT:
Most experts decry US stance
By VANESSA HOULDER
snip
The growing credibility of global warming theory is, in large part, due to
the authority of the Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change, an
advisory group established
the changes that have already happened pale in comparison with those that
could take place this century. In the 20th century, the planet heated up by
about 0.60C. This century, the IPCC predicts,temperatures will
rise 1.40C-5.80C , the fastest rate of change for 10,000 years.
President Bush recently announced that the United States Government will
not honor its commitments under the 1997 Kyoto Protocol to reduce
greenhouse gases. The United States produce 25% of the world's carbon
dioxide, a gas that is believed to be the main contributor to global warming
Does anyone know anything about these scientists? Are
their projections credible, or is this a ploy to
justify the building of more dams, relaxation of
environmental regulations, etc., or both?
Tim
Global warming may ruin state water system, scientists
say
San Jose Mercury News - 6/21/01
the IPCC report at the request of President Bush, confirmed its findings.
In other words, as of the spring of 2001 we cannot say that we have not
been warned.
From a review of studies on global warming by Bill McKibben in the New York
Review of Books: http://www.nybooks.com/nyrev/index.html
Louis
http://ogj.pennnet.com/home.cfm [Oil and Gas Journal]
National Research Council report inconclusive on greenhouse causes
By the OGJ Online Staff
WASHINGTON, DC, June 7 -- In a report requested by the Bush
administration, a National Research Council committee confirmed global
warming is occurring
to fight global warming - which the U.S. government helped
negotiate.
The White House move, reversing campaign promises by President
George W. Bush, concerns researchers around the world who say they've
kept their part of the bargain: to find convincing scientific evidence that
humanity's activities
Today's NY Press, a rightwing 'alternative' weekly newspaper, has a lengthy
defense of global warming skepticism by Alex Cockburn that not only suggest
that global warming might be good for us, but that acid rain had nothing to
do with fish kills. I suspect that much of this is geared to stirring
Honolulu, HI 96822
On Wed, 14 Mar 2001, Louis Proyect wrote:
Today's NY Press, a rightwing 'alternative' weekly newspaper, has a lengthy
defense of global warming skepticism by Alex Cockburn that not only suggest
that global warming might be good for us, but that acid rain had nothing to
do
on global warming. He has written the same
basic article 5 times over, according to Lexis-Nexis.
---
Los Angeles Times, December 11, 1997, Thursday, Home Edition
HEADLINE: COLUMN LEFT/ ALEXANDER COCKBURN; WARMING? MORE LIKE GLOBAL
BALDERDASH;Temperatures have risen in ages past. The current
Stephen E Philion wrote:
Is there a url for this article?
It's not on the NY Press website. It's quite likely to be in
Counterpunch http://www.counterpunch.org, given Cockburn's
environmentally conscious taste for recycling.
Ironic, didn't Cockburn write a book that
was supportive of
Louis Proyect wrote:
I suppose this is what happens when a leftwing
journalist with almost no connections to a mass movement, who lives in
Robinson Jeffers-like splendor in the Pacific Northwest, who networks with
posse comitatus types, will end up writing. We need new leftwing
journalists. The
of the pile-up in Godard's Weekend...
Michael Pugliese
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From: Doug Henwood [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Date: Wednesday, March 14, 2001 10:37 AM
Subject: [PEN-L:8996] Re: Re: Cockburn and global warming
Stephen E Philion wrote:
Is there a url
[A little overanxious to justify US approaches no?]
http://www.nytimes.com
February 10, 2001
New Report Backs Planting More Trees to Fight Warming
By ANDREW C. REVKIN
An influential panel of scientists is preparing to endorse two strategies for
curtailing global warming that have been major
I have hesitated to involve myself in this conversation,
because I was still uncertain about what went on at
the Hague. What I now understand from people who
were there, is that the US negotiators arrived with the
proposal that 60 percent of the US emission reduction
called for under the Kyoto
for global warming,
and while they're no angels, the real solution would mean profound
changes in everyday life for almost all of us. How do we get there?
Doug
Not by ignoring the problem. Not by having the Vice President show up
at lots of technology photo-ops either...
Pray for cleaner technology
A lot of lefties want to blame evil corporations for global warming,
and while they're no angels, the real solution would mean profound
changes in everyday life for almost all of us. How do we get there?
Doug
Not by ignoring the problem. Not by having the Vice President show up
at lots
Brad DeLong wrote:
Pray for cleaner technology and raise the CAFE standards!
has praying ever done any good?
Jim Devine [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://bellarmine.lmu.edu/~jdevine
Max,
Heck, I'll take both you and Peter, and
maybe even the irascible Devine One up
on that, :-).
Barkley
-Original Message-
From: Max Sawicky [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Date: Tuesday, November 28, 2000 8:49 PM
Subject: [PEN-L:5071] RE: Re: Re: global
.
Shifting this back to the issue of more
interest to the list, the question is would a
mandated cc system for dealing with global
warming work better than a marketable permits
scheme, presumably with reasonably accounted
for net emissions (in contrast to what the US was
at least initially
At 01:30 PM 11/29/00 -0500, you wrote:
Max,
Heck, I'll take both you and Peter, and
maybe even the irascible Devine One up
on that, :-).
start pouring...
Jim Devine [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://bellarmine.lmu.edu/~jdevine
AM
Subject: [PEN-L:5093] Re: global warming talks failure
I have hesitated to involve myself in this conversation,
because I was still uncertain about what went on at
the Hague. What I now understand from people who
were there, is that the US negotiators arrived with the
proposal that 60 percent
If I understand this, you are frontloading the political hassle by building the
progressive tightening of the standard into the initial regulation. If the
political juice is there, that's always a good thing to do...
Lisa Ian Murray wrote:
If we set
stringent targets that do as you say, how
drivers
who really don't appreciate the environmental impact of
SUVs because NOBODY EVER TALKS ABOUT IT. Nobody
talks about it, because, until very recently, the Global
Climate Coalition came down like a ton of bricks on any
journalist who mentioned global warming, without
giving equal time
to promote dissident politics.
The new global society in the shell of the old...
Peter
"J. Barkley Rosser, Jr." wrote:
Shifting this back to the issue of more
interest to the list, the question is would a
mandated cc system for dealing with global
warming work better than a market
of the debate and negotiations over the
global warming issue have themselves been a reminder
of this.
Barkley Rosser
-Original Message-
From: Peter Dorman [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Date: Wednesday, November 29, 2000 3:10 PM
Subject: [PEN-L:5114] Re: RE: Re: global
, raising
carbon taxes and lowering income taxes will increase
the regressivity of the tax system.
As near as I can tell most of the US public would like
to see something done about global warming. But the
strength of that desire is not all that great and gets easily
overwhelmed by the intensity
s :-)
Ian
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of Peter Dorman
Sent: Wednesday, November 29, 2000 12:01 PM
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: [PEN-L:5114] Re: RE: Re: global warming talks failure
If I understand this, you are frontloading the politi
G'day Doug,
Louis Proyect wrote:
Actually most people value peace and health more than shopping at the
malls
and cancer. That is the reason drug use and prozac is so widespread in the
USA. Beneath the "good life" there is a profound feeling of despair.
...but which can't get articulated as
G'day Paul,
About Jordan Wheeler's column, "Until environment affects profits, it won't
be fixed" ...
Beaut stuff, but problematic at a very profound level, I reckon. I think
people of Marxian bent inherit from Das Kapital and its clerics an
unconsciously impotent view of the world, by which I
Mike Lebowitz's book, BEYOND CAPITAL, deals with these issues of Marx's
deterministic vision. In a nutshell, Marx deliberately minimized the role
of the self-organization working class in CAPITAL, in order to focus on the
contradictory dynamics of capital, which create conditions in which
[EMAIL PROTECTED] 11/28/00 11:48AM
Mike Lebowitz's book, BEYOND CAPITAL, deals with these issues of Marx's
deterministic vision. In a nutshell, Marx deliberately minimized the role
of the self-organization working class in CAPITAL, in order to focus on the
contradictory dynamics of
Jim Devine wrote:
Mike Lebowitz's book, BEYOND CAPITAL, deals with these issues of Marx's
deterministic vision.
While they have somewhat different agendas, and clash on some issues,
Wood, Foster, and Harvey are all very good on the mixture of deterministic
and non-deterministic elements in
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Date: Monday, November 27, 2000 6:17 PM
Subject: [PEN-L:5026] Re: Re: Re: global warming talks failure
Under traditional regulation, each polluter is supposed to limit pollution
to
some specified level. Some may find it feasible to cut pollution even
more,
so that the overall target
But, make no mistake, this is a lot more
serious than most stuff going on out there.
Barkley Rosser
-Original Message-
From: Doug Henwood [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Date: Monday, November 27, 2000 8:24 PM
Subject: [PEN-L:5030] Re: Re: global warming talks failur
Paul,
Besides some companies like DuPont that figure
they can make money in the anti-pollution biz, one
major industry that is really pushing doing something
about global warming is the insurance industry. They
are scared blankety blank about the impact on properties
due to rising ocean
"J. Barkley Rosser, Jr." wrote:
Peter,
Thanks for the reference.
There is nothing stopping
a firm that owns the right to emit a certain amount of a
given pollutant to emit less.
No, but under a tradeable system the underpolluting firm sells its excess to
another firm that
input from a global planner would sure be useful.
Barkley Rosser
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From: Rob Schaap [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Date: Tuesday, November 28, 2000 11:33 AM
Subject: [PEN-L:5048] Re: Re: global warming talks failure
G'day Paul,
About Jordan
le for both.
Barkley Rosser
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From: Peter Dorman [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Date: Tuesday, November 28, 2000 3:42 PM
Subject: [PEN-L:5061] Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: global warming talks failure
"J. Barkley Rosser, Jr." wrote:
Peter,
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From: Peter Dorman [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Date: Tuesday, November 28, 2000 3:42 PM
Subject: [PEN-L:5061] Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: global warming talks failure
"J. Barkley Rosser, Jr." wrote:
Peter,
Thanks for the refe
One or two should do it.
mbs
My hunch is that no one else on pen-l cares about this other than you or I,
Barkley. We can take it up over a drink in New Orleans. Enough drinks and
I'm sure you'll see it my way.
Peter
Jr.
Peter,
Thanks for the reference.
There is nothing stopping
a firm that owns the right to emit a certain amount of a
given pollutant to emit less. But it cannot emit more.
Ceiling implies a maximum above which one cannot
go. A floor is a minimum below which one cannot go.
Lisa Ian Murray wrote:
What if, once a firm lowers it's "share" of the pollutant and then sells it
off to the state --allow the state to be a buyer -- rather than another
firm, the size of the pieces [number of credits available to buy and sell]
of the ceiling are lowered thus raising the
The center of the scan is to go to a failed Ukranian or Russian business, which
used to burn coal and buy their pollution rights. Or claim that a generator
that uses natural gas is reducing CO2 by not using coal.
Lisa Ian Murray wrote:
Jr.
Peter,
Thanks for the reference.
PD
The problem is that it transfers to the state the cost of
reducing the target.
At the margin, this is the same as the sort of "takings"
compensation the Right
demands and was passed by initiative in Oregon this fall. It is
as if polluters
had the right to pollute and we, the polluted,
I find it curious that there is nearly zero
discussion of what is to me the biggest news
event of the moment, the failure of the global
warming talks in The Hague. Michael P. and
I have batted it about a bit, but that has been it.
Part of it may be that it never had much
publicity
[EMAIL PROTECTED] 11/27/00 12:59PM
Finally, I fear that this may be one of the more serious
outcomes of Bush's increasingly likely victory in the US election.
What I hear from people I know at the CEA is that indeed Gore
has been behind virtually all pro-environment moves by the
Jr.
I find it curious that there is nearly zero
discussion of what is to me the biggest news
event of the moment, the failure of the global
warming talks in The Hague. Michael P. and
I have batted it about a bit, but that has been it.
*
One question I have is whether success would
early zero
discussion of what is to me the biggest news
event of the moment, the failure of the global
warming talks in The Hague. Michael P. and
I have batted it about a bit, but that has been it.
Part of it may be that it never had much
publicity in the first place. The endless
:16 PM
Subject: [PEN-L:5019] RE: global warming talks failure
Jr.
I find it curious that there is nearly zero
discussion of what is to me the biggest news
event of the moment, the failure of the global
warming talks in The Hague. Michael P. and
I have batted it about a bit, but that has been
Dorman [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Date: Monday, November 27, 2000 4:36 PM
Subject: [PEN-L:5021] Re: global warming talks failure
1. My understanding is that the US did indeed demand that it be given
credit for existing forests as carbon sinks. This is truly
Under traditional regulation, each polluter is supposed to limit pollution to
some specified level. Some may find it feasible to cut pollution even more,
so that the overall target (permitted pollution level times number of
activities) serves as a ceiling. Under tradeable permits, all such gaps
It might be just worth noting the big nonlinearity
in the system that I do not think is taken account of
in the big IPCC model. That model has gone through
a lot of revisions, some of them a few years ago leading
to a lowering of the forecast of temperature increase.
That one was due to
There are a number of ways that there is a positive feedback from global
temperature increases. "Positive" here is like getting a positive
result on your HIV test.
The most ominous of these multiple feedback possibilities, to me, is
the melting of the permafrost. Permafrost is a carbon
for global warming,
and while they're no angels, the real solution would mean profound
changes in everyday life for almost all of us. How do we get there?
Doug
A lot of lefties want to blame evil corporations for global warming,
and while they're no angels, the real solution would mean profound
changes in everyday life for almost all of us. How do we get there?
Doug
Actually most people value peace and health more than shopping at the malls
ges, while (at least
in the Washington Post), the global warming talks
were relegated to the business section, although
collapse of the talks did make the front page,
lower half only.
Another aspect is that the details of the positions
taken in the talks seem to be very murky, as the
Louis Proyect wrote:
Actually most people value peace and health more than shopping at the malls
and cancer. That is the reason drug use and prozac is so widespread in the
USA. Beneath the "good life" there is a profound feeling of despair.
...but which can't get articulated as despair. If I
of last month, the virus had been confirmed in
only a few birds in Bergen County, N.J., and Rockland County, N.Y.
Full article at:
http://www.nytimes.com/yr/mo/day/news/national/regional/ny-bug.html
=
From "Is Global Warming Harmful to Health?" by Paul Epstein, in the current
Scientifi
said Klaus
Jacob, an earth scientist at the Lamont-Doherty Earth Observatory of
Columbia University. "On one island would be the mayor and what's left of
Wall Street, on the other island would be the rest of us."
What makes such a storm scenario possible? The combination of human-induced
g
seemingly insolube
Gordian-know of problems which society as a whole faces in dealing with the
longterm AND SHORT-TERM consequences of global warming. Above all, the
Report's central conclusion -- that the industrial world's energy-system
must be completely overhauled and transformed -- is open
pest in "pestilence."
It's our backyard nuisance, but it's a global menace.
Malaria is only the best-known of mosquito-borne diseases. It kills about 2
million people a year, and epidemiologists warn that the toll could
increase by as many as a million deaths a year if global warming extend
an salvation. It turns out--based on her "research"-- that
Prince Charles is the true power behind globalization. He has convened
secret meetings with Clinton and Blair in order to give them their marching
orders.
But what I really found fascinating was her animosity toward the scient
"KPFT is now 'The SOUND of Texas'. All the programmers are required to
repeat this hype slogan every time they ID the station, and we have all
heard it so many times we could puke (knowing what the station once was).
The station has been redefined as a particular format of music, which now
wasn't KPFT bombed a couple of times (by parties unknown) before it
capitulated, dropped its old-style Pacifica programming, and veered toward
a standard commercial format?
Jim Devine [EMAIL PROTECTED]
It was bombed in 1974 just before I moved to Houston. I haven't tracked the
stations ups
Actually the only 2 articles turned up in Lexis-Nexis in the last month
that raise the possibility of a link between the recent weather and global
warming deny that connection.
Milwaukee Journal Sentinel, July 30, 1999
Heat wave, awful as it is, doesn't prove there's global warming
PAUL
Ellen writes: The failure of the media to connect these dots has its
impact. I have had people (well-read, politically aware)
look at me in disbelief when I say this weather must be
due to global warming -- but I thought this was El Nina!
two dots that need to be connected: wasn't
s a matter of public safety. "When nylon burns like
that and a piece of it takes off, it burns whatever it hits, like human
skin; it keeps on burning."
Sargent Kirkland should have told them that with the levels of acid rain and
global warming, that the flag might spontaneously combust, giv
[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
Jim
writes:
A
speaking of sunny, I was surprised to hear on Public Radio International's
"The World" show that the weird weather (torrential rains in East Asia,
drought and heat in the Eastern US, etc.) was due to global warming. I
agree with this diagnosis
full report at www.erols.com/npap
Crony Environmentalism: Report Challenges Integrity of Environmental
Defense Fund;
Do Conflicts of Interest Corrupt Global Warming Agenda of Leading U.S.
Eco-Group?
-- EDF Created and Affiliated Group Would Profit from Provisions of
Senator Chafee's "
April 26, 1998
Industrial Group Plans to Fight Climate Treaty
By JOHN H. CUSHMAN Jr.
WASHINGTON -- Industry opponents of a treaty to fight global warming have
drafted an ambitious proposal to spend millions of dollars to convince the
public that a 1992 environmental accord is based on shaky
Mark Jones writes: When climatologists began to home in on the the fact
that global warming will manifest itself chiefly in the form of intensified
and more exteme weather events ...
Though I am far from being a climatologist, I've been convinced of the
"global warming causes increased weir
At 08:38 AM 3/2/98 -0800, Jim wrote:
Though I am far from being a climatologist, I've been convinced of the
"global warming causes increased weirdness of weather" hypothesis for
awhile now. Global warming disrupts the rough equilibrium the defines
stable weather patterns. But is
supporters. LM are global-warming denialists,
fond of quoting the likes of Fred Singer and other eco-nihilists.
I very much appreciated Adam Webb's posting 'Misunderstanding the
enemy'. World capitalism as a social order is buttressed by large masses
of what used to be called the petty-bourgeoisie
Today's NY Times has a full page ad attacking the United Nations Kyoto
Global Warming treaty. In addition to a handful of unions like the United
Mineworkers who have identified their interests as being the same on this
issue as the boss's, the sponsors include industry groups like:
American
f that
article, which I have just scanned in.
o THOMAS SCHELLING
In the same issue, Thomas Schelling informs us that "The modern era of
greenhouse concern dates from the 1992 Rio Conference, attended by
President Bush, which produced a 'framework convention' for the
pursuit of reduced carbon e
An authoritative international conference of scientists looking at global
warming agreed that global temperatures will rise at least 1 degree
Centigrade over the next century--and as Blair Sandler pointed out,
insurance cos. are concerned and looking at this issue closely.
Marianne Hill
At 2:57 PM 5/7/96, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
one concern: with global warming kicking in, shouldn't the recent
"wierd weather" be becoming more and more the norm?* Put another
way: don't the weights used in seasonal adjustment assume that
one year's weather is the same as
.
--
From: pen-l
Subject: [PEN-L:4174] seasonal adjustment and global warming
Date: Tuesday, May 07, 1996 2:58PM
Dave Richardson's as-usual useful missive quotes:
Analysts question the accuracy of the seasonal
adjustments BLS uses to account for seasonal factors. They say
the unusual weather
A further wiggle on this issue of climate and seasonal
adjustment is to reinforce the implication of Dave Richardson's
remarks. There are good reasons to believe that even if the
global warming skeptics are correct (although even they accept
a trend to global warming, just not as much
At 9:24 AM 5/8/96, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Blair is only partly correct about the big insurance
companies (and to a lesser degree the big banks). European
ones are much more so than American ones. The latter have
been listening more to global warming skeptics such as
Patrick Michaels who
a greater loss
to the world than a Bangladeshi farmer struck down by a tropical
cyclone? Economists advising the world's governments on how to cope
with global warming say yes. And their answer poses a new threat to
climate negotiations beginning in Berlin this week.
A draft of a forthcoming r
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