Re: Middle class-shmiddle class

1994-12-20 Thread JDCASE
It seems unfair for Ellen to treat discussions of distinctions within oppressed classes QUITE so lightly. Unity and the lack of it is related to some of these distinctions and the ability of political strategy and tactics to find common ground can depend upon an accurate understanding of the

Re: Middle class-shmiddle class

1994-12-20 Thread BILL MITCHELL
John Case argued: an important section of industrial workers. Many of these workers own property, have skills that have been parleyed into part-time businesses. The percentage of workers in basic industry (steel, auto, machine tools, etc., in this category, I donot know, exactly. But my

Re: Middle class-shmiddle class

1994-12-20 Thread Michael Lichter
On Dec 20, 2:54am, BILL MITCHELL wrote: we must be careful to distinguish the ability to extract rentier returns from that of being able to extract surplus value. property in marx is a very specific thing. the sort of classification system that talks about middle classes does not really

Re: Middle class-shmiddle class

1994-12-20 Thread shecker
This is true, but what DO Marxists say about workers who are also rentiers? Many workers are also very small scale capitalists, in the sense that they own a piece of capital in a stock portfolio. And then there are the flight attendants at United Airlines, who "own" their employer.

Middle class-shmiddle class

1994-12-19 Thread Ellen Dannin ([EMAIL PROTECTED])
Why don't we just throw in the towel and join in the chorus of "Serfin' USA?" How much difference is there between the lot of a serf and the situation of lots and lots of us who are wholly dependent on the wishes of the seigneur, who render to this seize-er our time, our energy, our beliefs?