Ken Hanly wrote:
> There are tons ( ;) ) of coal reserves
No, there are not. You are wrong, and please don't bore me with some
half-understood snippet of USGS deliberate misinformation. Coal will not be
economically recoverable, at present rates of extraction + growth, after
about 2040. I'm happ
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> Mark Jones
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> > -----Original Message-
> > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> > [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of Ken Hanly
> > Sent: 30 June 2000 07:43
> > To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> > Subject: [PEN-L:21009] Re: R
Charles Brown wrote:
> >>> [EMAIL PROTECTED] 06/29/00 06:45PM >>>
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>Yes, one can be a "brown Marxist" and still be against environmental
>racism. In point of fact, the missing dimension in Harvey's thought is
>ecology itself. To take a stand against toxic dumps without considering the
>overal
>>> [EMAIL PROTECTED] 06/29/00 06:45PM >>>
Yes, one can be a "brown Marxist" and still be against environmental
racism. In point of fact, the missing dimension in Harvey's thought is
ecology itself. To take a stand against toxic dumps without considering the
overall political economy which is
nly
> Sent: 30 June 2000 07:43
> To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Subject: [PEN-L:21009] Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: RE: My looniness
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> I live in Manitoba. THe bulk of my electricity comes from hydro.
> There are two
> supplementary coal-fired plants that usually do not operate. Q
I live in Manitoba. THe bulk of my electricity comes from hydro. There are two
supplementary coal-fired plants that usually do not operate. Quebec
electricity comes almost entirely from hydro, although some of it is imported
from Labrador at cheap prices and then exported to New England states at
Carrol:
>(and rightly so) has incorporated environmental concers into its program. The
>second point in a way is even bigger. The particular action you cite fits
David
>Harvey's picture of environmental action, and David Harvey is categorized by
>Lou as a "Brown Marxist." I doubt that the protesto
>>> [EMAIL PROTECTED] 06/29/00 12:01PM >>>
Charles Brown wrote:
> >>> [EMAIL PROTECTED] 06/28/00 05:27PM >>>And Rod also wrote:
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> It's just that as
> a point of departure global warming will not work.
>
> )
>
> CB: I don't think the facts of the recent history of party form
Charles Brown wrote:
> >>> [EMAIL PROTECTED] 06/28/00 05:27PM >>>And Rod also wrote:
>
> It's just that as
> a point of departure global warming will not work.
>
> )
>
> CB: I don't think the facts of the recent history of party formation support you
>here, Carrol. The biggest
>>> [EMAIL PROTECTED] 06/28/00 05:27PM >>>And Rod also wrote:
> Oh Carrol get with the programme. You are to organize all the True
> Believers and take them off to Jonestown
It has occurred to me that in speaking of political activity many of us
do not make clearly enough the distinction betwe
>I don't understand. Is the YES meant to imply that electricity production
>depends ultimately upon fossil fuels?
Unless you live in the Pacific Northwest or France, the bulk of your
electricity comes from power plants that burn fossil fuels...
RE: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: RE: My looniness
>
>
> . . . Good luck organizing, Mark.
> Doug
>
>
> Don't sell him short. I think Mark has united PEN-L.
>
> mbs
>
>
. . . Good luck organizing, Mark.
Doug
Don't sell him short. I think Mark has united PEN-L.
mbs
and the light became so bright and so blindin'
in this layer of paradise
that the mind of man was bewildered.
(Canto 38)
Rod Hay wrote:
> Ken In addition, it might be useful to ban auto t
>>> [EMAIL PROTECTED] 06/28/00 02:57PM >>>
Jim Devine wrote:
>I find your e-missives to be useless. Therefore, I've instructed the
>Eudora program to automatically transfer them to the trash bin. I
>recommend that others do so, too.
Hmm, not very promising for "ORGANISING"!
It's kind of har
>>> [EMAIL PROTECTED] 06/28/00 03:10PM >>>
In addition to the content, we should be conscious of the style used in
preaching.
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CB: But if you were convinced of all the content of what Mark is saying, do you mean
you would not support him in this discussion because he has a had a poo
At 03:44 PM 6/28/00 -0400, you wrote:
> >>> [EMAIL PROTECTED] 06/28/00 03:10PM >>>
>In addition to the content, we should be conscious of the style used in
>preaching.
>
>__
>
>CB: But if you were convinced of all the content of what Mark is saying,
>do you mean you would not support him
Jim Devine wrote:
>I find your e-missives to be useless. Therefore, I've instructed the
>Eudora program to automatically transfer them to the trash bin. I
>recommend that others do so, too.
Hmm, not very promising for "ORGANISING"!
It's kind of hard to organize people around catastrophe. With
Actually, the 'cadre' of the Seattle demonstrators were organized in
response to what they see as a looming catastrophe. Mark, John Foster and
I are trying to develop a theoretical alternative to the kind of deep
ecology beliefs that moved them into action. It boils down to Marxism
versus Zerzan's
wood
> Sent: 28 June 2000 19:58
> To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Subject: [PEN-L:20871] Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: RE: My looniness
>
>
> Jim Devine wrote:
>
> >I find your e-missives to be useless. Therefore, I've instructed the
> >Eudora program to automatically transfer them to the
I wrote:
>>I find your e-missives to be useless. Therefore, I've instructed the
>>Eudora program to automatically transfer them to the trash bin. I
>>recommend that others do so, too.
Doug writes:
>Hmm, not very promising for "ORGANISING"!
>
>It's kind of hard to organize people around catastro
>>> [EMAIL PROTECTED] 06/28/00 02:04PM >>>
Oh Carrol get with the programme. You are to organize all the True
Believers and take them off to Jonestown
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CB: I don't know. In this debate , "True Believer" seems to apply more to those who
BELIEVE that we have nothing to worry about res
Good point. Seems to me that Ottawa has such an area, and doesn't Vancouver. I don't
know about US cities. We don't suffer too much from pollution or development in this
area, although sometimes when I pass farmers who are spraying I pray that my lungs are
Roundup Ready.I guess the next step will
Yoshie writes:
>You can't have W. European-style mass transport without W. European social
>geography & temporality of work, residence, & consumption, though. Short
>of socialism, it seems impossible to stop suburban & exurban sprawl in the
>USA. As long as people live in one place, work at a
>>> [EMAIL PROTECTED] 06/28/00 01:10PM >>>
> >>> [EMAIL PROTECTED] 06/28/00 10:46AM >
>Instead, the government should deal with the problem by increasing the
>amount and quality of public mass transit drastically, including getting
>many more of these natural-gas-driven wheelchair-friendly buss
I don't understand. Is the YES meant to imply that electricity production
depends ultimately upon fossil fuels? Surely very little electricity is
produced by burning diesel or gas. Or are you talking about cars that burn fuel
and charge batteries that run them? There are also
cars and trucks that
Ken In addition, it might be useful to ban auto traffic in high density areas. It
would be difficult, but worth a debate in our major cities. My local paper this
morning predicts 60 to 70 extra deaths this summer (in a city of about half a
million) due to air pollution. Properly handled this shoul
Oh Carrol get with the programme. You are to organize all the True
Believers and take them off to Jonestown
--
Rod Hay
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If there really is an emergency and people are convinced of that I don't see
why rationing
would not work. While I agree that public transportation should be supported,
as long as the
rich don't use it they will use their influence and power to sabotage attempts
to subsidize a system they do not u
>Instead, the government should deal with the problem by increasing
>the amount and quality of public mass transit drastically, including
>getting many more of these natural-gas-driven wheelchair-friendly
>busses. Much of the expense can be covered by the gas tax. In
>general, the idea is to m
Mark,
I have been watching your sarcasmic criticisms with enthusiasm for two
days. You F many on the list left and right. What can I say? I really
admire your sense of humor. Marxists are generally known to be cool
people. You are truly sarcastic!
sarcastically,
Mine
> >>> [EMAIL PROTECTED] 06/28/00 10:46AM >
>Instead, the government should deal with the problem by increasing the
>amount and quality of public mass transit drastically, including getting
>many more of these natural-gas-driven wheelchair-friendly busses. Much of
>the expense can be covered by th
>I began by mentioning the need to control the rich. Brad suggested, if I
>understood him correctly, that I might mean that I would like to see the
>poor remain poor to minimize the impact of the rich.
No. I said that one has to be very careful deploying that kind of
argument because it does r
>>> [EMAIL PROTECTED] 06/28/00 11:38AM >>>
Charles writes: >Yes, and what about electric powered vehicles ? Do they
depend on fosssil fuels ultimately ?<
Of course, electricity can be generated by solar power, wind power, tidal
power, etc. But the discussion on pen-l concerning this issue st
At 04:36 PM 6/28/00 +0100, you wrote:
>Jim, you are such a disappointment to me. "wheelchair-friendly busses"?
>Gimme a break. There won't be these kinds of kindly options.
hey, we've got them in Culver City, where I live. The engine is on top of
the bus, so that the passenger compartment is mu
e.
Get with the fucking program.
Mark Jones
http://www.egroups.com/group/CrashList
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From: "Jim Devine" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Sent: Wednesday, June 28, 2000 3:46 PM
Subject: [PEN-L:20826] Re: Re: RE: My looniness
> Inst
I wrote:
>Instead, the government should deal with the problem by increasing the
>amount and quality of public mass transit drastically, including getting
>many more of these natural-gas-driven wheelchair-friendly busses. Much of
>the expense can be covered by the gas tax. In general, the idea
>>> [EMAIL PROTECTED] 06/28/00 10:46AM >
Instead, the government should deal with the problem by increasing the
amount and quality of public mass transit drastically, including getting
many more of these natural-gas-driven wheelchair-friendly busses. Much of
the expense can be covered by the
At 09:41 PM 06/27/2000 -0500, you wrote:
> Although I appreciate Jim Devine's argument for higher gas prices
> there is a definite income bias involved. The relatively well off can
> continue to drive their SUV's etc. while the lower middle classes will be
> priced right out of the automobi
Ken Hanly wrote:
> Although I appreciate Jim Devine's argument for higher gas prices
there is a > definite income bias > involved. The relatively well off
can continue to drive their SUV's etc. while
> the lower middle classes will be priced right out of the automobile
market. This> saves oi
I began by mentioning the need to control the rich. Brad suggested, if I
understood him correctly, that I might mean that I would like to see the
poor remain poor to minimize the impact of the rich. Then I responded
about the environmental problems associated with extreme poverty. I
absolutely
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> >
> > > -Original Message-----
> > > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> > > [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of Michael Perelman
> > > Sent: 27 June 2000 21:46
> > > To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> > > Su
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> How are the new Nike's BTW?
>
> Mark Jones
> http://www.egroups.com/group/CrashList
>
> > -Original Message-
> > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> > [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of Michael Perelman
> > Sent: 27 June 2000 21:46
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Message-
> From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of Michael Perelman
> Sent: 27 June 2000 21:46
> To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Subject: [PEN-L:20766] My looniness
>
>
> I am always appreciative of superlatives. If you had merely said, it was
> stupid, I wou
Michael! how can you say this? I am not saying you mean it, but isn't it a
racist common sense that, for example, Mexicans damage the environment
more so regulary than white people, or let's say, from a capitalist point
of view, working classes are less responsible towards environment than the
ri
I am always appreciative of superlatives. If you had merely said, it was
stupid, I would be hurt. I was merely trying to make 2 points. 1. The the
rich to whom Brad referred were rarely from the ranks of the poor. 2. That
extreme poverty makes people take environmentally damaging actions.
Mar
Michael Perelman wrote:
>extreme poverty makes people take environmentally damaging actions.
But nothing compared to us car-driving, air-conditioned people.
You sound like the World Bank here, blaming deforestation on poor
indigenes rather than rapacious corporate loggers. Do you really mean
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