>Although I have no degree in economics, I have doubts about your
>claim that this issue is soluble in terms of "Marx's conceptual
>distinction between value (labor time as a measure of wealth) and
>wealth itself, the production of which has come indeed to depend less
>on direct labor because of
At 09:05 6/11/97 -0500, Gil wrote:
>Hi, Ajit. You may well disagree with me, but it can't possibly be on the
>basis of the arguments you attribute to me below, because I don't make them.
>Ajit writes:
>
>>Though I have not read Postone's book under attack, I beg to disagree with
>>Gil's basic poi
> Date sent: Thu, 6 Nov 1997 20:37:48 -0800
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> From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Rakesh Bhandari)
> Subject: Re: Postone on value form and capitalist production
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Rakesh: Thanks for telling
>Why do you say so casually that "no one has shown that
>machinofacture makes direct
>human labor superflous in the production of commodities - it just
>changes the character of that labor"? Marx says as much in
>the Grundrisse, as I showed in two previous missives. Here he writes
>unequivocally
In response to the following passage by me,
>> Now, ascribing goals to *systems* rather than conscious beings, as Postone
>> does here, is necessarily a dicey proposition, but in any case it is clear
>> that *capitalists* direct production, not *capitalism*. Capitalists want to
>> make profits
At 22:22 5/11/97 -0500, Gil wrote:
>I've just finished reading the chapter in Moishe Postone's _Time, Labor, and
>Social Domination_ that Rakesh recommended to me, and it strikes me that
>the point made above is emphatically borne out in Postone's (otherwise quite
>insightful and interesting) ana
> Date sent: Wed, 5 Nov 1997 22:22:21 -0500 (EST)
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> Subject: Postone on value form and capitalist production
> Skillman writes:
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Hi, Ajit. You may well disagree with me, but it can't possibly be on the
basis of the arguments you attribute to me below, because I don't make them.
Ajit writes:
>Though I have not read Postone's book under attack, I beg to disagree with
>Gil's basic point that methodological individualism is t
This post will not be about Postone, for Gil's criticism of value theory is
quite confusing.
He argues quite rightly that individual capitalists are motivated by
profit, not surplus value. He notes as well that value operates at the
level of the system as a whole: on the one hand, he reduces this
As part of my recent reply to Rakesh, I wrote
"... I strongly doubt I'll be convinced by your sources of the centrality of
value theory in understanding [capitalist] production, and not because my
mind is made up already. My doubt is based on a question of logical type:
the legitimate ground of
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