Re: Re: RE: Genoa and Beyond II: The View from the Black Bloc

2001-08-05 Thread Ken Hanly
Close but not quite the Absolute mind you :) Cheers, Ken Hanly. - Original Message - From: Ian Murray <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Thursday, August 02, 2001 3:23 PM Subject: [PEN-L:15674] Re: RE: Genoa and Beyond II: The View from the Black Bloc >

Re: Genoa and Beyond II: The View from the Black Bloc

2001-08-02 Thread Tom Walker
Steve Diamond wrote, >A few days ago I posted a brief critique of the direct action and anarchist >elements' role in the anti-globalization movement. The following "defense" of >the tactics of the Black Bloc is being circulated by sympathizers with this >milieu. As a law professor I can only

RE: Genoa and Beyond II: The View from the Black Bloc

2001-08-02 Thread David Shemano
< "What violence does breaking a window at Nike Town cause? It makes a loud noise; maybe that is what is considered violent. It creates broken glass, which could hurt people, although most of the time those surrounding the window are only Black Bloc protesters who are aware of the risks of br

A Death in Genoa (Re: Genoa and Beyond II: The View from the Black Bloc

2001-08-02 Thread Nathan Newman
Here is my contribution to the analysis of tactics and where to go after Genoa: == >From the Progressive Populist www.populist.com NATHAN NEWMAN A Death in Genoa: Who killed Carlo Guiliani? Who killed Carlo Guiliani? In one sense, a death in Genoa was predictable, practically predicted

Re: RE: Re: Genoa and Beyond II: The View from the Black Bloc

2001-08-02 Thread Ian Murray
> . . . > What are the members of the mainstream cult afraid of? What are YOU afraid > of? What am I afraid of? The G8? The WTO? The IMF? Globalization? The cops? > The Black Bloc? The Almighty Dollar? The Apocalypse? > nope > Tom Walker > > > you'll have to bring this down from poetry > to pro

RE: Re: Genoa and Beyond II: The View from the Black Bloc

2001-08-02 Thread Max Sawicky
. . . What are the members of the mainstream cult afraid of? What are YOU afraid of? What am I afraid of? The G8? The WTO? The IMF? Globalization? The cops? The Black Bloc? The Almighty Dollar? The Apocalypse? nope Tom Walker you'll have to bring this down from poetry to prose for the more dense

Re: A Death in Genoa (Re: Genoa and Beyond II: The View from the Black Bloc

2001-08-02 Thread Tom Walker
It is not just discipline that is lacking. It is also strategy. The globalization protests are like a dog chasing a car. What would they do with it if they caught it? Nathan writes about the protesters, the police, the elites and the media as if they are the actors in the drama. The public makes

RE: Genoa and Beyond II: The View from the Black Bloc

2001-08-02 Thread Tom Walker
Ian Murray asked, >So is the lump-of-labor the Absolute? Absolute-ly. Tom Walker Bowen Island, BC 604 947 2213

Re: RE: Genoa and Beyond II: The View from the Black Bloc

2001-08-02 Thread Ian Murray
> The broken window fable is part and parcel of the luddism/lump-of-labour > refrain. It is the bulwark defence of the mainstream cult. It is a clever > concoction of half-truths, straw men and abstract theorizing posing as > empirical fact. So is the lump-of-labor the Absolute? Ian

RE: Genoa and Beyond II: The View from the Black Bloc

2001-08-02 Thread Tom Walker
David Shemano asked, >As the resident reactionary, I have to ask, does this mean that the >anarchists do not do readings of Bastiat and Henry Hazlitt at their strategy >sessions? As the resident non-reactionary, non-anarchist reader of Henry Hazlitt and Bastiat, I am sorry to confirm David's sus

Re: RE: RE: Genoa and Beyond II: The View from the Black Bloc

2001-08-02 Thread Rob Schaap
> If we eliminated lawyers, what would aggressive, argumentative, anal, > overeducated liberal arts types do? I find a well-balanced mailing-list subscription regime answers tolerably well ... Cheers, Rob.

RE: RE: Genoa and Beyond II: The View from the Black Bloc

2001-08-02 Thread David Shemano
Tom Walker writes: <<>> I agree entirely. Well, not entirely. The conservative side of me agrees with you. But the libertarian side of me believes that any proposed cure would be worse than the disease. If we eliminated lawyers, what would aggressive, argumentative, anal, overeducated libera

Re: RE: RE: Genoa and Beyond II: The View from the Black Bloc

2001-08-02 Thread Ian Murray
> Well, not entirely. The conservative side of me agrees with you. But the > libertarian side of me believes that any proposed cure would be worse than > the disease. > > If we eliminated lawyers, what would aggressive, argumentative, anal, > overeducated liberal arts types do? > > David Shemano