Re: Re: RE: tompaine.com

2002-06-13 Thread Carl Remick
Attacking people you haven't read and/or barely understand isn't my idea of what intellectuals are supposed to do ... Doug Unless, that is, what is not understood is not understandable. The following is from volume three of Robert Skidelsky's bio of John Maynard Keynes: Keynes's 'blind

Re: Re: Re: RE: tompaine.com

2002-06-13 Thread ravi
Carl Remick wrote: Attacking people you haven't read and/or barely understand isn't my idea of what intellectuals are supposed to do ... Unless, that is, what is not understood is not understandable. by which token sokal is as much a fool as those he ridicules, for i am sure i will find

Re: Re: Re: RE: tompaine.com

2002-06-13 Thread Michael Perelman
Robinson, along with Meek, did to Marx what Samuelson did to Keynes -- show how his work could be interpreted in terms of respectable economics by removing much that is valuable. I doubt that either felt that they were violating the work that they were interpreting. I spent an afternoon with

RE: RE: RE: tompaine.com

2002-06-12 Thread Max Sawicky
Kuttner, tompaine.com, and Moyers are political comrades. How much more 'left' one is than the other is a trivial question. How left they all are compared to your ideal, or to what you think is defensible, is more to the point. By the way, Paul Starr, TAP co-editor, is notably less liberal

RE: RE: RE: RE: tompaine.com

2002-06-12 Thread Devine, James
Title: RE: [PEN-L:26774] RE: RE: RE: tompaine.com Like Max, I really don't care how left someone is. It's not like there's a way of measuring such things along some hard-and-fast and objective spectrum. Besides, what's left changes over time. Back in the 1940s, supporting the state of Israel

Re: RE: RE: RE: RE: tompaine.com

2002-06-12 Thread Michael Perelman
] Subject: [PEN-L:26774] RE: RE: RE: tompaine.com Kuttner, tompaine.com, and Moyers are political comrades. How much more 'left' one is than the other is a trivial question. How left they all are compared to your ideal, or to what you think is defensible, is more to the point

Re: Re: RE: tompaine.com

2002-06-12 Thread Louis Proyect
Yup. I talked with someone who recently interviewed for a job at DLC, and it was made clear that they *hate* Kuttner, and would love to see TAP vaporize. Which, if the rumors are correct, may be about to happen. Doug Kuttner's opposition to Clinton--the quintessential DLC'er--could

Re: RE: RE: RE: RE: tompaine.com

2002-06-12 Thread Doug Henwood
Devine, James wrote: Similarly, I heard on pen-l that Alan Sokal was a social democrat. Who cares? Does his status as a social democrat imply that he's worse than some creep who runs a small sect of five people which claims to have the correct line (or program)? should we shun Sokal and

RE: Re: RE: RE: RE: RE: tompaine.com

2002-06-12 Thread Devine, James
Title: RE: [PEN-L:26794] Re: RE: RE: RE: RE: tompaine.com Doug, I wasn't defending Sokal. Instead, I was arguing against indiscriminate use of political labels, as if we should assume that someone is wrong on all counts just because they're a social democrat. It's probably true he didn't

Re: Re: Re: RE: tompaine.com

2002-06-12 Thread Michael Perelman
Speaking of the glorious days of Clinton, I was just reminded yesterday that Ira Magaziner was behind the ICANN mess as well as Hilary's health care fiasco. -- Michael Perelman Economics Department California State University Chico, CA 95929 Tel. 530-898-5321 E-Mail [EMAIL PROTECTED]