RE: Re: crisis causes the end of capitalism?

2002-01-15 Thread Devine, James
The worst case scenario involves fascism, which would probably be called something else while being very different from the fascism of the 1930s 1940s. (I can imagine that a big environmental crisis would encourage the worst of authoritarianisms.) = Not that we're at

RE: Re: crisis causes the end of capitalism?

2002-01-15 Thread Devine, James
Michael Perelman writes: I only wanted to say that recovery is not always certain. Right. It's also possible that we could see recovery for the capitalists -- as the Wall Street folks predict -- without an immediate recovery for workers. In fact, a lot of people predict that real GDP will start

Re: RE: Re: crisis causes the end of capitalism?

2002-01-15 Thread Ian Murray
- Original Message - From: Devine, James [EMAIL PROTECTED] the current kind of authoritarianism is actually making matters worse. I was talking about the kind that would be a reaction when the environmental crisis actually hits capitalists below the belt, hurting profitability. Jim

RE: Re: RE: Re: crisis causes the end of capitalism?

2002-01-15 Thread Devine, James
the current kind of authoritarianism is actually making matters worse. I was talking about the kind that would be a reaction when the environmental crisis actually hits capitalists below the belt, hurting profitability. Jim === You mean there will be another class of

RE: RE: RE: Re: RE: Re: crisis causes the end of capitalism?

2002-01-15 Thread Devine, James
I don't know if anyone is familiar with Darity's thesis about managerial society or the managerial mode of production, which he believes has developed out of capitalism. I am not sure if I agree that managerial society is a distinct mode of production that had superceded capitalism, but I

Re: RE: RE: Re: RE: Re: crisis causes the end of capitalism?

2002-01-15 Thread Ian Murray
- Original Message - From: Forstater, Mathew [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, January 15, 2002 11:56 AM Subject: [PEN-L:21408] RE: RE: Re: RE: Re: crisis causes the end of capitalism? I don't know if anyone is familiar with Darity's thesis about managerial society

RE: RE: crisis causes the end of capitalism?

2002-01-15 Thread Forstater, Mathew
capacity supplants property ownership as the key to access to the modern elite. -Original Message- From: Forstater, Mathew Sent: Tuesday, January 15, 2002 5:06 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: [PEN-L:21433] RE: crisis causes the end of capitalism? It is like Darity's managerialism. See

Re: RE: RE: Re: RE: Re: crisis causes the end of capitalism?

2002-01-15 Thread F G
From: Forstater, Mathew [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: [PEN-L:21408] RE: RE: Re: RE: Re: crisis causes the end of capitalism? Date: Tue, 15 Jan 2002 13:56:55 -0600 I don't know if anyone is familiar with Darity's thesis about managerial society

Re: RE: RE: RE: Re: RE: Re: crisis causes the end of capitalism?

2002-01-15 Thread Eugene Coyle
It is a little late for this thread but this also sounds like Galbraith's THE NEW INDUSTRIAL STATE Devine, James wrote: I don't know if anyone is familiar with Darity's thesis about managerial society or the managerial mode of production, which he believes has developed out of capitalism.

Re: Re: crisis causes the end of capitalism?

2002-01-15 Thread Michael Perelman
Actually, it starts with Marx. On Tue, Jan 15, 2002 at 08:52:23PM -0800, Tom Walker wrote: Galbraith's book dates to the mid-1950s. Peter Drucker also wrote a book on similar lines in the early 1940s. I would credit Berle and Means as the earliest articulate version of the theory (or story)

Re: Re: Re: crisis causes the end of capitalism?

2002-01-15 Thread Ian Murray
; capital's legal apologist enablers. Ian - Original Message - From: Michael Perelman [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, January 15, 2002 9:21 PM Subject: [PEN-L:21464] Re: Re: crisis causes the end of capitalism? Actually, it starts with Marx. On Tue, Jan 15, 2002 at 08