Re: Anti-Eurocentrism: Idealist Diversion from Anti-racism/anti-imperialism

2000-04-12 Thread Chris Burford
At 09:34 12/04/00 -0500, Carrol wrote: > The ongoing critique in scholastic circles of "euro-centrism" >more and more appears as a member of that large family of >ideological persuasions generally called "post-modernism," >defined here as a purely academic compensation for the >material defeat

Re: Re: Anti-Eurocentrism: Idealist Diversion from Anti-racism/anti-imperialism

2000-04-12 Thread Doug Henwood
Rod Hay wrote: >I think, I agree with everything that Carrol says. It is a point that I >have tried to make several times, although much less elegantly. > The responses that I have seen so far seem to miss the point (in my >opinion) of Carrol's post and of Marx and Engels' critique of critica

Re: Re: Anti-Eurocentrism: Idealist Diversion from Anti-racism/anti-imperialism

2000-04-12 Thread Louis Proyect
>Naming calling lets off frustration, but silencing an "opponent" is >a pretty hollow victory. And advances the cause not at all. >And then, there are those who delight in disrupting left discourse, >with shouting denunciations of ill defined crimes, that the perpetrator >couldn't possible

Re: Anti-Eurocentrism: Idealist Diversion from Anti-racism/anti-imperialism

2000-04-12 Thread Rod Hay
I think, I agree with everything that Carrol says. It is a point that I have tried to make several times, although much less elegantly. The responses that I have seen so far seem to miss the point (in my opinion) of Carrol's post and of Marx and Engels' critique of critical criticism. Building

Re: Re: Anti-Eurocentrism: Idealist Diversion from Anti-racism/anti-imperialism

2000-04-12 Thread Louis Proyect
>Term 'eurocentrism' is problematic although conception that eurocentrism >is colonizer's model of world (as jim blaut, no postmodernist, calls it) >seesm generally agreeable. Term can, however, flatten complexity of >european culture and history that includes peripheral regions, social >class

Re: Anti-Eurocentrism: Idealist Diversion from Anti-racism/anti-imperialism

2000-04-12 Thread Michael Hoover
> "eurocentrism" needs > to be retired from our vocabulary, since it acts only to deflect > attention from the ills it pretends to name. > Carrol Term 'eurocentrism' is problematic although conception that eurocentrism is colonizer's model of world (as jim blaut, no postmodernist, calls it) sees

Re: Anti-Eurocentrism: Idealist Diversion from Anti-racism/anti-imperialism

2000-04-12 Thread Louis Proyect
Carrol Cox wrote: >The ongoing critique in scholastic circles of "euro-centrism" >more and more appears as a member of that large family of >ideological persuasions generally called "post-modernism," >defined here as a purely academic compensation for the >material defeats the movements of the

Re: Anti-Eurocentrism: Idealist Diversion from Anti-racism/anti-imperialism

2000-04-12 Thread Jim Devine
At 09:34 AM 4/12/00 -0500, you wrote: >The trick is to reverse cause and effect, and by attacking the effects >(which exist purely in the superstructure of rarified scholastic dispute) >we can soothe feelings wounded by our inability to oppose effectively the >victories of racism and imperialis