Why does there have to be a suffering contest? What is worst than child
abuse? Why?
Joanna
Jurriaan Bendien wrote:
There are forms of abuse that are a lot worse than child abuse.
J.
--- Grant Lee [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Regarding child abuse in pre-modern societies, I
think we often tend to see in such societies the
things that we want to see, i.e. noble savages.
And
what is considered abuse in one society may be a
social norm or even an obligation in another
society.
In a message dated 12/21/03 12:39:14 AM Pacific Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
I think that there is room for a lot of improvement onthe issue child rearing. All the societies which Iknow of, contain an element of hierarchical power,even the preliterate, classless ones.
Why does there have to be a suffering contest? What is worst than child
abuse? Why?
Proves my point really.
J.
And what was your point?
Jurriaan Bendien wrote:
Why does there have to be a suffering contest? What is worst than child
abuse? Why?
Proves my point really.
J.
And what was your point?
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So you'll just have to listen
Focus on the audio,
The visual is missin',
How am I gonna get it
Is probably what you're thinking
Your ears aren't tuned for singing
Without watching lip synching
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--- [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
I think that there is room for a lot of improvement
on
the issue child rearing. All the societies which I
know of, contain an element of hierarchical power,
even the preliterate, classless ones.
Non-democratic
hierarchical power is
About the Maasi. . .I was referring to the pre-capitalist Ilparakuyo Maasi as described in the work of anthropologist Peter Rigy. . .
as for the Continuum concept. . .refer to the website under that name. . .
Brian
I don't understand why we go round and round on threads like this.
Doesn't everybody understand where each poster is coming from now?
What I would love to see is new threads that would engage the hundreds
of lurkers on the list.
--
Michael Perelman
Economics Department
California State
Fine with me. I have no interest in discussing the vicissitudes of
contracts and every interest in the dynamic disequilibrium of capital.
dms
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From: dmschanoes [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Fine with me. I have no interest in discussing the vicissitudes of
contracts and every interest in the dynamic disequilibrium of capital.
dms
=
The two, of course, being totally separable issues, especially with
joanna bujes wrote:
What's the continuum concept?
something to do with there being no transfinite numbers between aleph-0
and aleph-1? (where 2**c = aleph-1???). whether that is correct (as
recalled from my sketchy knowledge of math) is doubtful. what it has to
do with fidel castro is of
ravi wrote:
joanna bujes wrote:
What's the continuum concept?
something to do with there being no transfinite numbers between aleph-0
and aleph-1? (where 2**c = aleph-1???). whether that is correct (as
recalled from my sketchy knowledge of math) is doubtful. what it has to
do with fidel castro is
joanna bujes wrote:
Mike Ballard quoted
What we found in examining diaries, letters,
autobiographies, pediatric and pedagogical
literature back to antiquity was that good parenting
appears to be something only historically
achieved, and that the further one goes back into
the past the more
Not that this is worth belaboring, but clearly the author of this passage is
not referencing aboriginal societies as he bases his conclusions on an
investigation of diaries, pediatric, and pedagogical literature.
Even then, I think it is safe to assume he means European and
European-derived
Regarding child abuse in pre-modern societies, I think we often tend to see
in such societies the things that we want to see, i.e. noble savages. And
what is considered abuse in one society may be a social norm or even an
obligation in another society. Infanticide, genital multilation, incest,
There are forms of abuse that are a lot worse than child abuse.
J.
I can see how an employer can profit from selling the
commodities her workers produce for wages. I'm afraid
I'm ignorant about how one State can expoit another
State through purchasing. Is China now exploiting the
USA because it buys less than it sells to the US?
Best,
Mike B)
--- Jurriaan
Mike Ballard wrote:
I can see how an employer can profit from selling the
commodities her workers produce for wages. I'm afraid
I'm ignorant about how one State can expoit another
State through purchasing. Is China now exploiting the
USA because it buys less than it sells to the US?
Only in the
That makes sense, Louis. Profits come from the
unequal exchange between the working class and the
employing class, not between States buying and selling
commodities on the world market.
Thanks,
Mike B)
--- Louis Proyect [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Mike Ballard wrote:
I can see how an employer
Wait a minute-- the mythology that Chinese manufacturing exports are causing
US or EU or Japanese firms to go out of business is just that; mythology.
Three-quarters of these exports are from subsidiaries of firms headquartered
in the advanced countries. The WSJ estimates that 90 percent of the
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From: Mike Ballard :
Thanks for your explanation.
--
You are welcome. Unequal exchange is an enduring, inherent feature of
capital, present in all its rotations, not just those between developed and
--- dmschanoes [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Unequal exchange is an enduring,
inherent feature of
capital, present in all its rotations, not just
those between developed and
less-developed countries.
In this, it is essential to distinguish value, an
input,a relation, of
production from price,
In 1998, costs of production for oil reach an historic low (even below the
1949 level). I think it was $2.49 or so a barrel. Of course 1998 saw spot
prices break below 12 and 11 all the way down to $10/barrel.
This occurs after about 10 years of low single digit rate of returns in
production
--- dmschanoes [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
In 1998, costs of production for oil reach an
historic low (even below the
1949 level). I think it was $2.49 or so a barrel.
Of course 1998 saw spot
prices break below 12 and 11 all the way down to
$10/barrel.
***
So the oily caps could have
But at a rate of profit of about 1%. Brother Melvin P refers frequently to
this self-devaluation of capital-- that it is exactly what the falling rate
of profit is/does.
dms
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From: Mike Ballard
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From: dmschanoes [EMAIL PROTECTED]
The exchange between capital and wage-labor is always and eternally
unequal.
dms
No doubt, wherever the right of private property exists, there must and
will be inequalities of fortune; and thus it
--- Eubulides [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
No doubt, wherever the right of private property
exists, there must and will be inequalities of
fortune; and thus it naturally happens that
parties negotiating about a contract are not equally
unhampered by circumstances. This applies to all
From the Financial Times, Dec 10 2003
Petroleos Mexicanos (Pemex):
Pemex has a monopoly in a country where oil can be produced for as little as
$2.50 a barrel and solf for more than $24, yet it consistently records
losses.
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From: Mike Ballard [EMAIL PROTECTED]
By private/common property here, I assume the legal
eagles are not speaking of one's socks or home, but of
the tools of production and ownership of the Earth.
It seems perfectly possible to my mind for one person
to want to have
=
What, if anything, would/could replace contract law in the society/ies of
the future?
Inquiring minds want to know.
Ian
_
In a word: soviets
dms
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From: dmschanoes [EMAIL PROTECTED]
=
What, if anything, would/could replace contract law in the society/ies
of
the future?
Inquiring minds want to know.
Ian
_
In a word: soviets
dms
Yawn. Z.
Ian
--- Eubulides [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
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From: Mike Ballard [EMAIL PROTECTED]
By private/common property here, I assume the legal
eagles are not speaking of one's socks or home, but
of
the tools of production and ownership of the Earth.
It seems perfectly
Exactly how I feel about the virtues of contract law, democracy, the genius
of the American Constitutionblah..blah..blah
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From: Eubulides [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Friday, December 19, 2003 7:28 PM
Subject: Re: [PEN-L] Fidel Castro on unequal
Mike Ballard quoted
What we found in examining diaries, letters,
autobiographies, pediatric and pedagogical
literature back to antiquity was that good parenting
appears to be something only historically
achieved, and that the further one goes back into
the past the more likely one would be to
I agree with Joanna. . .if you want to get a sense of how kids were treated in prehistory, take a look at pre-capitalist societies today -- the Maasi, the Kung San and others - pretty good . . . .check out "The Continuum Concept"
Brian McKenna
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From: dmschanoes [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Exactly how I feel about the virtues of contract law, democracy, the
genius
of the American Constitutionblah..blah..blah
==
Who said anything about virtue? Do you really think you can 'run' hi-tech
societies
--- Brian McKenna [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
I agree with Joanna. . .if you want to get a sense
of how kids were treated
in prehistory, take a look at pre-capitalist
societies today -- the Maasi, the
Kung San and others - pretty good . . . .check out
The Continuum Concept
Brian McKenna
Ok,
Before we go too much further down this dusty trail:
I have no idea what such societies will look like and how they will
regulate themselves.
But I do know that the notion of contract is based on private property--
the contradiction between private property and social necessity.
I do know
What's the continuum concept?
Joanna
Brian McKenna wrote:
I agree with Joanna. . .if you want to get a sense of how kids were
treated in prehistory, take a look at pre-capitalist societies today
-- the Maasi, the Kung San and others - pretty good . . . .check out
The Continuum Concept
Brian
Brian McKenna wrote:
I agree with Joanna. . .if you want to get a sense
of how kids were
treated in prehistory, take a look at
pre-capitalist societies today
-- the Maasi, the Kung San and others - pretty
good . . . .check out
The Continuum Concept
Brian McKenna
This is probably
- Original Message -
From: dmschanoes [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Before we go too much further down this dusty trail:
I have no idea what such societies will look like and how they will
regulate themselves.
But I do know that the notion of contract is based on private property--
the
In a message dated 12/19/03 6:46:28 PM Pacific Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
But I do know that the notion of contract is based on private property--the contradiction between private property and social necessity.I do know that contract is in essence the paper reproduction of
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