Re: Global crash imminent?

2002-10-10 Thread Chris Burford
At 09/10/02 08:54 -0400, Louis Proyect wrote: Chris Burford: What I read however is from my point of view a rehearsal of assertions about who is more marxist than whom and who is more revolutionary than whom. Perhaps it would help if you stopped using the name of Marx or Engels in a kind of

Re: Re: Global crash imminent?

2002-10-10 Thread Waistline2
In a message dated 10/8/02 6:11:09 AM Pacific Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: As for the assertion that the "bourgeoisie and the working class have nothing in common", I do not think that is true. There is a contradiction between the working class and the bourgeoisie. There is both

Re: Global crash imminent?

2002-10-09 Thread Chris Burford
Nobody is obliged to post anything to this list, but I would point out that Louis Proyect has failed to address the important subject of this thread title, which he himself formulated. Is a global crash imminent or is it not? I took it up and examined whether a global crash is imminent, why

Re: Re: Global crash imminent?

2002-10-09 Thread Louis Proyect
Chris Burford: What I read however is from my point of view a rehearsal of assertions about who is more marxist than whom and who is more revolutionary than whom. Perhaps it would help if you stopped using the name of Marx or Engels in a kind of ritual incantation in nearly every post. Since I

Re: Global crash imminent?

2002-10-08 Thread Louis Proyect
Chris Burford: There are many forms of socialism also that are not specifically marxist. If this includes your intervention here, I'd say we are making progress. But nor would I say that marxism is characterised by a belief that socialism can and must arise out of these periodic crises. A

Re: Global crash imminent?

2002-10-07 Thread Chris Burford
At 06/10/02 09:43 -0400, you wrote: Global crash fears as German bank sinks Faisal Islam, economics correspondent and Will Hutton Sunday October 6, 2002 The Observer Stockbrokers around the world are braced for a potentially calamitous week as alarm mounts over a looming, Thirties-style global

Re: Re: Global crash imminent?

2002-10-07 Thread Louis Proyect
Chris Burford: Let us try to look at what is going on from a marxist point of view (why not?). The only way out of a recession is to deepen exploitation or to destroy a portion of old capital. That means killing off a portion of dead labour in order that living labour can continue to produce

Re: Global crash imminent?

2002-10-07 Thread Chris Burford
At 06/10/02 09:43 -0400, you wrote: Global crash fears as German bank sinks Faisal Islam, economics correspondent and Will Hutton Sunday October 6, 2002 The Observer Stockbrokers around the world are braced for a potentially calamitous week as alarm mounts over a looming, Thirties-style global