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At 01:49 AM 06/30/2000 +0100, you wrote:
Yelling at people that they are atavists, apocalyptics etc,
doesn't
At 06:28 PM 6/29/00 -0500, you wrote:
Does doing away with this distinction mean locating hog barns and cattle
feed lots in the city?
hog barns literally stink to high heaven, as the film "Waking Ned (no
relation) Devine" reminds us. But I heard that they were changing the
composition of hog
Louis Proyect wrote:
Doug:
Does the revo also mean there won't be modern transportation,
chemical fertilizers, mechnized plowing and reaping, etc.? Then
there's truly no way to sustain a world population of more than, say,
a billion people, maybe fewer - meaning that at least 80% of us have
to
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Louis Proyect wrote:
Doug:
Does the revo also mean there won't be modern transportation,
chemical fertilizers, mechnized plowing and reaping, etc.? Then
there's truly no way to sustain a world
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Louis Proyect wrote:
Doug:
Does the revo also mean there won't be modern transportation,
chemical fertilizers, mechnized plowing and reaping, etc.? Then
there's truly no way
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Perhaps Louis could explain what he means by small farms being more productive.
Even if it is true of some small farms producing some items I am not sure what
its
Rod wrote:
Eliminating the distinction between town and country side is a very
abstract though admirable goal. But what does it mean concretely. Better
planning of new housing space? More green space in the city? Better and
more efficient transportation systems? Or is there something more
drastic
sustainable than the U.S. But is a growth rate of 0 low enough? Could
we feed and house 6 billion people if we all spent our time searching
for "Jack-in-the-Pulpits or fishing for pickerel"? That kind of rural
leisure is available to someone living in a rich country; in a poor
country, you'd
In developed countries at least many urban features are already in the
countryside. The automobile enables rural dwellers to take advantage of
urban shopping facilities equally with urban dwellers. Rural dwellings
almost all have modern sanitiation and sewage systems albeit
self-contained in the
Louis Proyect wrote:
You and Doug approach this as if we were talking about life-style. I can
understand this. This is generally how people first react to the CM demand,
as if they were being asked to give up Starbucks or something. It is not
about this primarily. It is about addressing a
At 07:17 PM 6/29/00 -0400, you wrote:
Ok, so now we know there won't be Starbucks after the revolution. Finally
a bit of detail.
no loss! Starbucks burns its beans, producing inferior coffee.
Jim Devine [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://bellarmine.lmu.edu/~jdevine
Jim Devine wrote:
Ok, so now we know there won't be Starbucks after the revolution.
Finally a bit of detail.
no loss! Starbucks burns its beans, producing inferior coffee.
"I don't like it. It smells burnt." - Jackie Mason
Jim Devine wrote:
no loss! Starbucks burns its beans, producing inferior coffee.
http://www.junofish.com/jackie.html
A Dissent on Starbucks by Jackie Mason
Starbucks is the best example of a phony status symbol that means
nothing, but people will still pay 10x as much for because there are
Does doing away with this distinction mean locating hog barns and cattle
feed lots in the city?
More flippancy.
Louis Proyect
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Doug:
Does the revo also mean there won't be modern transportation,
chemical fertilizers, mechnized plowing and reaping, etc.? Then
there's truly no way to sustain a world population of more than, say,
a billion people, maybe fewer - meaning that at least 80% of us have
to go.
You don't seem
Doug Henwood wrote:
Does the revo also mean there won't be modern transportation,
chemical fertilizers, mechnized plowing and reaping, etc.? Then
there's truly no way to sustain a world population of more than, say,
a billion people, maybe fewer - meaning that at least 80% of us have
to go.
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sustainable than the U.S. But is a growth rate of 0 low enough? Could
we feed and house 6 billion people if we all spent our time
At 01:49 AM 06/30/2000 +0100, you wrote:
Yelling at people that they are atavists, apocalyptics etc, doesn't answer
any more than Jim Devine throwing queenie fits answers the questions.
so Mr. Jones is gay-bashing me? I find that insults are always the last
refuge of the fuzzy thinker. In any
Karl Fred wrote:
"Combination of agriculture with manufacturing industries; gradual
abolition of all the distinction between town and country by a more equable
distribution of the populace over the country."
Compared to many other countries, the U.S. has a version of this,
only we call it
Hmm, ok, maybe I can get an answer from you: what changes in
industrial and agricultural practices, energy sources, the build
environment, living arrangements, etc., will occur under socialism
that will avoid the eco-catastrophe capitalism supposedly has in
store for us. It's not just a
I just read that NY City is the largest consumer of pesticides in the state.
Now that you have that part of the agricultural system, may the rest won't be
too hard.
Doug Henwood wrote:
It's weird to hear this coming from someone who lives works on
Manhattan Island, but I'll leave that aside
Doug:
Compared to many other countries, the U.S. has a version of this,
only we call it suburban sprawl. It's ugly, and extremely dependent
on fossil fuels. How would the post-revolutionary world be different
from suburbia?
The US does not have "a version of this". When you were growing up in
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