Re: Re: Re: [Fwd: Position in the World-System andNationalEmissions of](fwd)

2000-06-30 Thread Ken Hanly
I don't get it. What would it be like not to separate livestock from grain? Have the livestock wandering through your grain fields? What system of agriculture ever suggested that. Maybe I am being flippant, but what you say makes absolutely no sense to me. Livestock are not separated from pasture

Re: Re: [Fwd: Position in the World-System andNationalEmissions of](fwd)

2000-06-30 Thread Louis Proyect
Ken Hanly: >available locally. Even hay may be trucked long distances in case of local shortages, but this would be the exception not the rule. Feed materials are >bought by feedlots from the nearest sources. You don't seem to get the point. It is not simply about closeness or distance. It is abo

Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: [Fwd: Position in the World-System andNationalEmissions of] (fwd)

2000-06-29 Thread Ken Hanly
Is this in contrast to non-trivial tautologies? Cheers, Ken Hanly Carrol Cox wrote: > Doug Henwood wrote: > > > M A Jones wrote: > > > > >But capitalism will collapse anyway. > > > > Right. Where have I heard that one before? > > Actually the prediction was made by many old guys millenia ag

Re: Re: Re: Re: [Fwd: Position in the World-System andNationalEmissions of] (fwd)

2000-06-29 Thread JKSCHW
Well, Carroll, I certainly like to see you raise the level of discourse. So it's arrogant and stupid and in bad faith of Doug to ask for a reason to think that we could do better if we made some sort of change in a direction you would consider socialist. well, sign me up to the arrogant, stupid

Re: Re: Re: Re: [Fwd: Position in the World-System andNationalEmissions of] (fwd)

2000-06-29 Thread Doug Henwood
Carrol Cox wrote: >Bullshit Doug. On the contrary, any statement of the kind you want >would be arrogant and stupid, not merely utopian. No one except >a few academics and journalists (I ignore sheer demogogues) has >ever taken up resistance to capitalism on the basis of being convinced >there is

Re: Re: Re: [Fwd: Position in the World-System andNationalEmissions of] (fwd)

2000-06-29 Thread Carrol Cox
Doug Henwood wrote: > Charles Brown wrote: > > >To purport to answer your question fully would be to assume the > >approach of a utopian. The answer to your question must come in > >the main from the practice, trial and error, of billions of people. > > This is evasive. I'm not asking for a 2

Re: Re: Re: Re: [Fwd: Position in the World-System andNationalEmissions of] (fwd)

2000-06-29 Thread Carrol Cox
Doug Henwood wrote: > M A Jones wrote: > > >But capitalism will collapse anyway. > > Right. Where have I heard that one before? Actually the prediction was made by many old guys millenia ago before capitalism was ever heard of. You know, the old stuff about the rise and fall of this or that. O

Re: Re: Re: [Fwd: Position in the World-System andNationalEmissions of] (fwd)

2000-06-29 Thread Doug Henwood
M A Jones wrote: >But capitalism will collapse anyway. Right. Where have I heard that one before? Doug