Re: RE: Re: RE: Re: RE: Re: GOP vs Dem Behavior (e.g., voting)

2000-12-08 Thread Joel Blau
I don't blame Gore for litigating under the circumstances.  But the original question was why Republicans are not wishy-washy about the issue.  I hope this explains why. David Shemano -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of kelley Sent: T

RE: Re: RE: Re: RE: Re: GOP vs Dem Behavior (e.g., voting)

2000-12-07 Thread David Shemano
cember 07, 2000 5:23 PMTo: [EMAIL PROTECTED]Subject: [PEN-L:5829] Re: RE: Re: RE: Re: GOP vs Dem Behavior (e.g., voting)No, it is not completely cynical. As Boies argued this morning on the issue of a broader recount, it is not the plaintiff's responsibility to protect Bush from th

Re: RE: Re: RE: Re: GOP vs Dem Behavior (e.g., voting)

2000-12-07 Thread Joel Blau
es.  But the original question was why Republicans are not wishy-washy about the issue.  I hope this explains why. David Shemano -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of kelley Sent: Thursday, December 07, 2000 6:52 AM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject:

RE: Re: RE: Re: GOP vs Dem Behavior (e.g., voting)

2000-12-07 Thread David Shemano
]]On Behalf Of kelleySent: Thursday, December 07, 2000 6:52 AMTo: [EMAIL PROTECTED]Subject: [PEN-L:5780] Re: RE: Re: GOP vs Dem Behavior (e.g., voting)correct me if i'm wrong, but if memory serves, there wasn't an option for astatewide manual recount, at first.  there was an option for

Re: RE: Re: GOP vs Dem Behavior (e.g., voting)

2000-12-07 Thread kelley
correct me if i'm wrong, but if memory serves, there wasn't an option for a statewide manual recount, at first. there was an option for a statewide machine recount. and there was the possibility of challenging the result in particular counties. borehead's team (and shrubya's) already knew th

Re: RE: Re: RE: GOP vs Dem Behavior (e.g., voting)

2000-12-06 Thread Louis Proyect
>Why mention the lumpenconservatives? In terms of importance in establishing >the merits of convervatism, you are forgetting the most important >conservatives: > >1. Rulers of Soviet Union from 1917 to 1991. >2. Rulers of Eastern European countries from 1945 to 1989. >3. Rulers of Nor

RE: Re: RE: GOP vs Dem Behavior (e.g., voting)

2000-12-06 Thread David Shemano
Behalf Of Louis Proyect Sent: Wednesday, December 06, 2000 1:15 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: [PEN-L:5725] Re: RE: GOP vs Dem Behavior (e.g., voting) >If you have specific questions, I would be happy to answer as best I can. > >David Shemano How would you rank the following conserv

Re: Re: GOP vs Dem Behavior (e.g., voting)

2000-12-06 Thread Charles Brown
>>> [EMAIL PROTECTED] 12/05/00 04:43PM >>> Nathan Newman wrote: >One of the areas where >the Democrats have clearly and demonstrably moved towards a more progressive >position in the last fifteen years is on immigration. Employers love loose immigration regulations, no? Forbes and the WSJ are

Re: RE: GOP vs Dem Behavior (e.g., voting)

2000-12-06 Thread Louis Proyect
>If you have specific questions, I would be happy to answer as best I can. > >David Shemano How would you rank the following conservatives in terms of importance? 1. J. Edgar Hoover 2. Al Capp 3. Spiro Agnew 4. Oliver North 5. Frank Rizzo 6. Roy Innis 7. Rush Limbaugh 8. Joseph McCarthy 9. Roy C

RE: Re: RE: RE: Re: GOP vs Dem Behavior (e.g., voting)

2000-12-06 Thread David Shemano
Dear conservative lurker (apologies for losing your name), >Since you asked, I am a conservative who lurks on this list, . . . Lurk not, brave sir! Tell us why the economy's healthy. Or why it's not. Or what, in the heady dynamics around and within us, represents the stat

Re: RE: RE: Re: GOP vs Dem Behavior (e.g., voting)

2000-12-06 Thread Rob Schaap
Dear conservative lurker (apologies for losing your name), >Since you asked, I am a conservative who lurks on this list, . . . Lurk not, brave sir! Tell us why the economy's healthy. Or why it's not. Or what, in the heady dynamics around and within us, represents the status quo to which you a

RE: RE: Re: GOP vs Dem Behavior (e.g., voting)

2000-12-06 Thread Max Sawicky
I have no problem at all w/your being here, but I have to say I am curious as to why. mbs Since you asked, I am a conservative who lurks on this list, . . .

Re: Re: Re: GOP vs Dem Behavior (e.g., voting)

2000-12-05 Thread Michael Hoover
> From: "Michael Hoover" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > >First specific DLC accomplishment was to convince 11 southern states to > >hold their prez primaries on same day in 1988 for purpose of boosting > >their clout, enhancing position of south in nominating process and > >helping "moderate" southern cand

RE: Re: GOP vs Dem Behavior (e.g., voting)

2000-12-05 Thread David Shemano
<> Since you asked, I am a conservative who lurks on this list, so I can give you my opinion. I actually was sympathetic to Gore for the first day or two. The fact that he won the national popular vote, and was only behind by several hundred votes in a state in which Nader received 92,000 vo

Re: Re: GOP vs Dem Behavior (e.g., voting)

2000-12-05 Thread Nathan Newman
- Original Message - From: "Michael Hoover" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >First specific DLC accomplishment was to convince 11 southern states to >hold their prez primaries on same day in 1988 for purpose of boosting >their clout, enhancing position of south in nominating process and >helping "mod

RE: Re: Re: GOP vs Dem Behavior (e.g., voting)

2000-12-05 Thread Max Sawicky
The DLC started after the Mondale defeat. The guiding principle was not any special conservative ideological position, but a determination not to get smoked again in a national election. What did Mondale win? Two states or something? A pretty strong reaction was understandable. Mondale was pe

Re: Re: GOP vs Dem Behavior (e.g., voting)

2000-12-05 Thread Doug Henwood
Nathan Newman wrote: >One of the areas where >the Democrats have clearly and demonstrably moved towards a more progressive >position in the last fifteen years is on immigration. Employers love loose immigration regulations, no? Forbes and the WSJ are all in favor of pretty open borders. Can you

Re: Re: GOP vs Dem Behavior (e.g., voting)

2000-12-05 Thread Jim Devine
At 02:13 PM 12/5/00 -0500, you (Barry?) wrote: >Why is it that the Democrats are wishy-washy on Gore, while the >Republicans are hard-core for Bush? perhaps because Gore is such a robot? or because he's so wishy-washy himself, first being a DLC technocrat and then pretending to be an "I'll figh

Re: Re: GOP vs Dem Behavior (e.g., voting)

2000-12-05 Thread Louis Proyect
>So where is your evidence of any even incipient rightward shift among Dems >on immigration issues. In the last four years, especially, as the results >of the latino electoral mobilization of 1996 was fully appreciated, the Dems >have been moving in a MORE pro-immigrant stance. > >-- Nathan Newma

Re: Re: GOP vs Dem Behavior (e.g., voting)

2000-12-05 Thread Louis Proyect
>A comment - has anybody met/seen/talked with/heard or heard of a >single Republican who doesn't stand solidly on Bush's side in this >dispute? > >Why is it that the Democrats are wishy-washy on Gore, while the >Republicans are hard-core for Bush? > >Perhaps they have a clearer vision. > > >Barry