Re: Re: Nader 3? Blaming who?

2000-11-09 Thread Jim Devine
I quoted Hitchens: > >It's not enough that the two-party machine has all the > >money at its disposal and all the press and media, too. It still needs > >courageous volunteers to ram its message home. These unctuous surrogates > >seek to persuade us that, though we have no power, we can and should

Re: Re: Nader 3? Blaming who?

2000-11-09 Thread Ken Hanly
If the aim is to replace the two great evils, how can voting for the lesser be regarded as positive even if in some ways it does make things better? Voting for one of the two great evils is what gives them power and credibility.The lesser evil is to forego minimal reforms to build up a third party

Re: Re: Nader 3? Blaming who?

2000-11-09 Thread Carrol Cox
Yoshie Furuhashi wrote: > Nathan: > > >The continual evasion by Nader and other Green supporters for the results of > >their leadership and actions is incredibly distressing on that point. Nathan, do all voters to the left of Calvin Coolidge belong to you Democrats by devine right or something

RE: Re: Nader 3? Blaming who?

2000-11-08 Thread Lisa & Ian Murray
Nader and his supporters had the power to throw the election to Bush. That is very real power. I have frankly urged that since the Greens have exercised that power, they should now take advantage of it to promote a radical change in the electoral college in favor of ranked voting or i

Re: Re: Re: Nader 3? Blaming who?

2000-11-08 Thread Brad DeLong
>Brad, > I'm going to repeat my comments to Michael >Perelman earlier. I suspect that a Bush-Cheney >EPA will not be all that much worse than a Gore- >Lieberman one, although probably marginally so. "Perhaps"? "Perhaps"? And as I said, if you think the issues are important, then marginal

Re: Re: Nader 3? Blaming who?

2000-11-08 Thread J. Barkley Rosser, Jr.
Brad, I'm going to repeat my comments to Michael Perelman earlier. I suspect that a Bush-Cheney EPA will not be all that much worse than a Gore- Lieberman one, although probably marginally so. If Gore wins, he will be busy trying to prove he is not too radical of an environmentalist, especia

Re: Re: Re: Re: Nader 3? Blaming who?

2000-11-08 Thread Rob Schaap
>To demonstrate your immense weakness and inability to mobilize voters >while at the same time working against your own substantive political >positions is the biggest display of political incompetence I have >seen this fall, save for the way that Al Gore has run his campaign... Bollocks, Bra

Re: Re: Nader 3? Blaming who?

2000-11-08 Thread Rob Schaap
G'day Ricardo, You point out: >...and there's no contradition stating that Nader had every right to >stay 'till the end (and to have participated in the debates) and >concluding, if only at the last minute, that since Nader's campaign >was going nowhere, and since the Gore-Bush campaign was s

Re: Re: Re: Nader 3? Blaming who?

2000-11-08 Thread Brad De Long
>Sorry, I don't think you want to listen (and this has been the larger >problem all along) and I'd rather not continue in this tone. Signing off >for now. > >PA > > > >>Why not be an adult, recognize that there is a big difference between > >a Clinton-Gore EPA and a Bush-Cheney EPA, and admit y

Re: Re: Nader 3? Blaming who?

2000-11-07 Thread Paul_A
Sorry, I don't think you want to listen (and this has been the larger problem all along) and I'd rather not continue in this tone. Signing off for now. PA PS I am not a faction >You shoot yourself in the foot and then look around for someone else to blame? > >Why not be an adult, recognize that