Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Nestor on HDI

2001-05-02 Thread Doug Henwood
Louis Proyect wrote: The same exact problems exist throughout the third world. To get a handle on this, you can't depend on IMF/World Bank data. You have to understand something about the society. For example, Brazil has a vast number of homeless children. How would the World Bank or the IMF or

Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Nestor on HDI

2001-05-02 Thread Louis Proyect
Doug: Hmm, forget stats and watch a movie? What would Lenin say? I am not for forgetting statistics. I use them liberally in articles I have posted to PEN-L on Nicaragua, Costa Rica, Cuba and Colombia. But they are embedded in a historical materialist analysis drawing upon scholary material. If

Re: Re: Re: Nestor on HDI

2001-05-01 Thread Doug Henwood
Louis Proyect wrote: Actually, if you look at the report itself, you will discover that the main sources for the statistics are the World Bank and IMF: If you look at the report itself you will discover that the sources are: life expectancy: UN Population Division literacy: UNESCO school

Re: Re: Re: Nestor on HDI

2001-05-01 Thread Colin Danby
The UNDP is not perfect but it's quite distinct from the IMF and World Bank -- The Human in the _Human Development Report_ was chosen as an implied criticism of the World Bank's _World Development Report._ The HDI is of course more a rhetorical tool than a measure of anything, but if you don't

Re: Re: Re: Re: Nestor on HDI

2001-05-01 Thread Louis Proyect
Provided you understand what they're measuring, there's also no shame in using IMF or World Bank data. These two organizations have a lot of power, and as a result they can get prompt figures out of a lot of countries on a lot of things. The UN, lacking such power, tends to be about five years

Re: Re: Re: Re: Nestor on HDI

2001-05-01 Thread Colin Danby
I have little quarrel with the substance of Lou's latest argument -- my weasel words were provided you understand what they're measuring. As far as I understand it, in general the data that UN and Bretton Woods agencies report are gathered by national governments, not directly by these agencies.

Re: Re: Re: Re: Nestor on HDI

2001-05-01 Thread Martin Hart-Landsberg
One thing to note about the HDI: as far as I know HDI values are not comparable from year to year. Each year's index is standardized within the range of countries. In other words it is not based solely on a country's performance but rather relativized. Moreover, many of the international

Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Nestor on HDI

2001-05-01 Thread Brad DeLong
I have little quarrel with the substance of Lou's latest argument -- my weasel words were provided you understand what they're measuring. As far as I understand it, in general the data that UN and Bretton Woods agencies report are gathered by national governments, not directly by these agencies.