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2002-01-28 Thread Rakesh Bhandari
Well, empirically speaking - which I know is embarrassingly vulgar - the best explanation for changes in investment is the change in profits. Marx's argument in this excerpt just doesn't sound right. Doug, I am not necessarily disagreeing. I am saying that as long as a falling rate of profit

Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: the profit rate recession

2002-01-28 Thread Ken Hanly
support this? Cheers, Ken Hanly - Original Message - From: Doug Henwood [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, January 28, 2002 12:33 PM Subject: [PEN-L:22009] Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: the profit rate recession Well, empirically speaking - which I know is embarrassingly

Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: the profit rate recession

2002-01-28 Thread Rakesh Bhandari
How you measuring accumulation? If you're measuring profitability in relative rather than absolute terms, shouldn't you measure accumulation relatively as well? Doug, I meant by accumulation what Jim D is (I believe) referring to as net investment. I think I agree with Jim that the

Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: the profit rate recession

2002-01-28 Thread Michael Perelman
Really it should be expected future profits, but the current profit rate is as good an indicator of expectations as we have. Robert Chirinko has probably done the most on investment as a function of profit. On Mon, Jan 28, 2002 at 01:33:48PM -0500, Doug Henwood wrote: Well, empirically

Re: Re: Re: RE: Re: Re: Re: Re: the profit rate recession

2002-01-15 Thread Rakesh Bhandari
Rakesh, please don't try to classify others on the list. Let Jim speak for himself as to whether he is a social democrat or not, if he chooses to do so. michael, i quoted jim d saying that social democracy is best for the capitalists and thus can thus presumably be imposed on them for their

Re: Re: Re: Re: RE: Re: Re: Re: Re: the profit rate recession

2002-01-15 Thread Michael Perelman
I don't consider myself a social democrat, but I agree with Jim -- if I understand him correctly. SD is good for the capitalists. That does not make it the Valhalla for others. It is merely a social form that reduces conflict and thus improves efficiency. On Tue, Jan 15, 2002 at 10:03:26AM

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2002-01-15 Thread Carrol Cox
Michael Perelman wrote: Fred's approach of looking at profits makes a great deal of sense when looking at long swings, but in the short run -- as to what causes a particular downturn -- identification is still a problem. What is the political importance of understanding the

Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: RE: Re: Re: Re: Re: the profit rate recession

2002-01-15 Thread Michael Perelman
Doug, that I think that the big capitalists do understand their interest. The small ones to whom the Wall Street Journal appeals on their editorial page do not. We were just discussing yesterday how major businesspeople appreciate Marxist analysis. On Tue, Jan 15, 2002 at 02:15:22PM -0500, Doug

Re: Re: Re: Re: RE: Re: Re: Re: Re: the profit rate recession

2002-01-15 Thread Rakesh Bhandari
Michael Perelman wrote: Fred's approach of looking at profits makes a great deal of sense when looking at long swings, but in the short run -- as to what causes a particular downturn -- identification is still a problem. What is the political importance of understanding the economics

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2002-01-15 Thread Carrol Cox
Doug Henwood wrote: And when are those contradictions of capitalism that Rakesh is talking about really going to bite? I mean something more than a nibble. The phrase has been around for what, like a century? They've been biting every second of every day for several hundred years.