Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: The Nader campaign, part 1 (fwd)

2000-06-06 Thread M A Jones
Thanks for the clarification, Mine, I'll bear it in mind. Mark Jones http://www.egroups.com/group/CrashList - Original Message - From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, June 06, 2000 12:54 AM Subject: [PEN-L:19914] Re: Re: Re: Re: The Nader campaign, part 1 (fwd

Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: The Nader campaign, part 1

2000-06-06 Thread JKSCHW
In a message dated Tue, 6 Jun 2000 4:42:38 AM Eastern Daylight Time, "M A Jones" [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Justin, you have a way of telling me things I already know while not answering the real point, which is about your strange affection for the glorious 'C' especially the notably

Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: The Nader campaign, part 1

2000-06-06 Thread Doug Henwood
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: In a message dated 6/5/00 6:25:09 PM Eastern Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Oh yes, the propertied minority needs vigorous protection against the masses. Just ask Madison, Federalist #10. I was thinking more of the 14th Amendment, due process, equal

Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: The Nader campaign, part 1

2000-06-06 Thread Jim Devine
At 12:54 PM 6/6/00 -0400, you wrote: [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: In a message dated 6/5/00 6:25:09 PM Eastern Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Oh yes, the propertied minority needs vigorous protection against the masses. Just ask Madison, Federalist #10. I was thinking more of the

Re: Re: Re: The Nader campaign, part 1

2000-06-05 Thread Jim Devine
Justin wrote: So, if you accept that refiorms are good and necessary, you have to support lobbuing for and otherwise trying to effect them through the esrablished channels. Otherwise, you will be out in the streets yelling for reforms that will be implemented, if at all, without your

Re: Re: Re: Re: The Nader campaign, part 1

2000-06-05 Thread JKSCHW
What did I do to make you think I would disagree with this? --jks This distinction (reform through established channels vs. yelling in the streets) is a false dichotomy. The two are connected and interact with each other.

Re: Re: Re: The Nader campaign, part 1

2000-06-05 Thread Doug Henwood
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: The comments about Jefferson and the Constitution are almost too silly to discuss. J was no great fan of the C, which he did not sign precisely because of its comparative conservatism, And as for the anti-majoritarainsim od the C, and especially the Bill of Rights, is

Re: Re: Re: Re: The Nader campaign, part 1

2000-06-05 Thread M A Jones
discrete and insular minorities protected by the "C" were/are who exactly? Blacks? American Indians? Women? Hispanics? Bankers? Mark Jones http://www.egroups.com/group/CrashList [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: The comments about Jefferson and the Constitution are almost too silly to discuss. J

Re: Re: Re: Re: The Nader campaign, part 1 (fwd)

2000-06-05 Thread md7148
Mark, I would never put blacks, Indians, women and hispanics in the same equation with bankers. they are the victim, not the oppresssor.. Mine discrete and insular minorities protected by the "C" were/are who exactly? Blacks? American Indians? Women? Hispanics? Bankers? Mark Jones

Re: Re: Re: Re: The Nader campaign, part 1

2000-06-05 Thread JKSCHW
In a message dated 6/5/00 6:25:09 PM Eastern Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Oh yes, the propertied minority needs vigorous protection against the masses. Just ask Madison, Federalist #10. I was thinking more of the 14th Amendment, due process, equal protection, that sort of

Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: The Nader campaign, part 1

2000-06-05 Thread JKSCHW
In a message dated 6/5/00 6:34:01 PM Eastern Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: discrete and insular minorities protected by the "C" were/are who exactly? Blacks? American Indians? Women? Hispanics? Bankers? The phrase is from the famous (to Americal lawyers) footnote 4 of the 1939

Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: The Nader campaign, part 1 (fwd)

2000-06-05 Thread JKSCHW
In a message dated 6/5/00 7:54:58 PM Eastern Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Mark, I would never put blacks, Indians, women and hispanics in the same equation with bankers. they are the victim, not the oppresssor.. Mine Mine, you really are irony proof. Go syeep yourself in

Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: The Nader campaign, part 1 (fwd)

2000-06-05 Thread md7148
In a message dated 6/5/00 7:54:58 PM Eastern Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Mark, I would never put blacks, Indians, women and hispanics in the same equation with bankers. they are the victim, not the oppresssor.. Mine Mine, you really are irony proof. Go syeep yourself

Re: Re: Re: Re: The Nader campaign, part 1

2000-06-04 Thread M A Jones
66] Re: Re: Re: The Nader campaign, part 1 The political criticism of Nadar is valid, but the personal attack on him is misguided and fundamentally irrelevant. Rod Louis Proyect wrote: Yes, but not that much further. My parents, who lived on my dad's middle class income of about $25,

Re: Re: Re: The Nader campaign, part 1

2000-06-04 Thread JKSCHW
In a message dated 00-06-03 21:11:11 EDT, you write: The main point is that it wasn't an $85 per month furnished room. be bought. If he stayed silent on no-fault, it was not because he was bribed, but because there are serious consumerist arguments against it. There are, The problem

Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: The Nader campaign, part 1

2000-06-04 Thread JKSCHW
Mark Jones has discovered that anything but the self-described express movement for the revolutionmary overthrow of capitalsim is a distraction; reforms that merely improve people's livesw ithin existing constrints are bad. Hey, Mark, why doesn't this distrction theorya pply to a movement for

Re: Re: Re: The Nader campaign, part 1

2000-06-03 Thread JKSCHW
In a message dated 6/3/00 4:31:32 PM Eastern Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: I don't know about Washington, but where I live a $100,000 home is pretty modest. (and that is Canadian dollars!) Rod $100,000 went further 25 years ago. Yes, but not that much further. My parents,

Re: Re: Re: The Nader campaign, part 1

2000-06-03 Thread Rod Hay
The political criticism of Nadar is valid, but the personal attack on him is misguided and fundamentally irrelevant. Rod Louis Proyect wrote: Yes, but not that much further. My parents, who lived on my dad's middle class income of about $25,000 a year back in those days, bought a $100,000