Re: Re: Re: Sweden

2002-01-19 Thread Ken Hanly
- From: Michael Perelman [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, January 15, 2002 7:51 PM Subject: [PEN-L:21446] Re: Re: Sweden Ian, the midwife relates to the Burnham thesis that someone mentioned earlier. Marx believed that the institutions of socialism were forming within

Re: Re: Sweden

2002-01-16 Thread Doug Henwood
Rakesh Bhandari wrote: This brings us back to the discussion that set off the thread on crises. Capitalism has proven resilient and has withstood a number of shocks over the centuries. yes, michael, but the question is how are crises overcome? jim's theory leads to one conclusion--raising

Re: Re: Re: Sweden

2002-01-16 Thread Rakesh Bhandari
Rakesh Bhandari wrote: This brings us back to the discussion that set off the thread on crises. Capitalism has proven resilient and has withstood a number of shocks over the centuries. yes, michael, but the question is how are crises overcome? jim's theory leads to one conclusion--raising

Re: Re: Re: Sweden

2002-01-16 Thread Michael Perelman
Doug, Schumpeter's creative destruction does not occur in the context of weak demand. It is a theory of investment-led aggregate demand, followed by an overshooting, and then a crash. Mellon's scheme might work, but it sure took a long time for the economy to get going. Without World War II,

Re: Re: Sweden

2002-01-15 Thread Michael Perelman
Ian, the midwife relates to the Burnham thesis that someone mentioned earlier. Marx believed that the institutions of socialism were forming within capitalism. He believed that the joint stock companies were such an institution. Ian Murray wrote: I'm puzzled by the midwife metaphor as it

Re: Re: Sweden

2002-01-15 Thread Michael Perelman
Carrol, as wages have declined and production shifted offshore, the US has moved very much more in the brute force direction, despite a small minority engaged in the New Economy and the like. Carrol Cox wrote: What was brue labor as opposed to workers' skills and discretion at one point in

Re: Re: Re: Sweden

2002-01-15 Thread Ian Murray
- Original Message - From: Michael Perelman [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, January 15, 2002 5:51 PM Subject: [PEN-L:21446] Re: Re: Sweden Ian, the midwife relates to the Burnham thesis that someone mentioned earlier. Marx believed that the institutions

Re: Re: Sweden

2002-01-15 Thread Michael Perelman
I would say that devaluation of fictitious capital [specifically corporate capital, not government paper] is important in raising the rate of profit. On Tue, Jan 15, 2002 at 06:12:16PM -0800, Rakesh Bhandari wrote: This brings us back to the discussion that set off the thread on crises.

Re: Re: Re: Re: Sweden

2002-01-15 Thread Ian Murray
- Original Message - From: Ian Murray [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, January 15, 2002 6:15 PM Subject: [PEN-L:21452] Re: Re: Re: Sweden - Original Message - From: Michael Perelman [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, January 15, 2002 5

Re: Re: Sweden

2002-01-15 Thread Ian Murray
- Original Message - From: Michael Perelman [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, January 15, 2002 7:08 PM Subject: [PEN-L:21460] Re: Sweden I don't know where Marx came up with that idea, but in a way it conflicted with his more important theory -- that social