RE: Re: RE: Re: the pen-l fairness doctrine

2003-01-14 Thread Devine, James
Title: RE: [PEN-L:33822] Re: RE: Re: the pen-l fairness doctrine Yoshie writes: For starters, avoid using such ungainly words as incentivize straight out of the book of CorporateSpeak. I wrote: right. In addition, I'm afraid the word incentive is inextricably bound with individualistic

Re: Re: Re: the pen-l fairness doctrine

2003-01-14 Thread joanna bujes
At 05:44 PM 01/13/2003 -0800, you wrote: Don't ever insult my intelligence again by deigning to presume how to determine how others should speak about the issues of the day. Your pathetically tiring authoritarianism is showing.. Now, nowincentivize is a butt-ugly word. She just said

Re: Re: the pen-l fairness doctrine

2003-01-14 Thread Michael Hoover
[EMAIL PROTECTED] 01/13/03 11:41 AM I have been asked about the contradiction between collecting royalties on my book questioning intellectual property. I answer that I did not really write the book. I collaborated with earlier writers; I could not have done what I did without my computer,

Re: Re: the pen-l fairness doctrine

2003-01-13 Thread Michael Perelman
I also wonder what earned ever dollar means. I have been asked about the contradiction between collecting royalties on my book questioning intellectual property. I answer that I did not really write the book. I collaborated with earlier writers; I could not have done what I did without my

Re: Re: the pen-l fairness doctrine

2003-01-13 Thread Carl Remick
From: Bill Lear [EMAIL PROTECTED] On Monday, January 13, 2003 at 06:59:36 (-0800) Devine, James writes: ... By Larry Paquette ... However, I feel no need to defend my position. Over the years I have worked hard and earned every dollar of the obscene wealth I am accused of hoarding. This is

Re: Re: the pen-l fairness doctrine

2003-01-13 Thread Ian Murray
- Original Message - From: Bill Lear [EMAIL PROTECTED] This is a perfect piece of propaganda with Paquette, apparently unwittingly, serving as a proxy for the truly rich --- how they must be applauding him. Bill == [for another take, there's the below...]

Re: Re: the pen-l fairness doctrine

2003-01-13 Thread Bill Lear
On Monday, January 13, 2003 at 11:52:55 (-0800) Ian Murray writes: ... washingtonpost.com A Big 'Thank You' To the Wealthy Monday, January 13, 2003; Page A20 Last week my wife and I braved the inclement weather and went to the National Gallery of Art to view the trompe l'oeil exhibition. As we

Re: Re: Re: the pen-l fairness doctrine

2003-01-13 Thread Doug Henwood
Bill Lear wrote: Another truckload of crap. We have created princes and when they bestow us with a trickle of benefactions, our knees weaken in their divine presence. It would be more accurate to say God damn the rich. How much richer we would all be without them. How can I accept a doctrine

Re: Re: Re: Re: the pen-l fairness doctrine

2003-01-13 Thread Dan Scanlan
How can I accept a doctrine which sets up as its bibleĀŠan obsolete economic textbook which I know to be not only scientifically erroneous but without interest or application for the modern world? How can I adopt a creed which, preferring the mud to the fish, exalts the boorish proletariat

Re: Re: Re: the pen-l fairness doctrine

2003-01-13 Thread Ian Murray
- Original Message - From: Bill Lear [EMAIL PROTECTED] Another truckload of crap. We have created princes and when they bestow us with a trickle of benefactions, our knees weaken in their divine presence. It would be more accurate to say God damn the rich. How much richer we would

Re: Re: the pen-l fairness doctrine

2003-01-13 Thread Bill Lear
On Monday, January 13, 2003 at 15:47:38 (-0500) Doug Henwood writes: Bill Lear wrote: Another truckload of crap. We have created princes and when they bestow us with a trickle of benefactions, our knees weaken in their divine presence. It would be more accurate to say God damn the rich. How

Re: Re: the pen-l fairness doctrine

2003-01-13 Thread Bill Lear
On Monday, January 13, 2003 at 13:11:45 (-0800) Ian Murray writes: - Original Message - From: Bill Lear [EMAIL PROTECTED] Another truckload of crap. We have created princes and when they bestow us with a trickle of benefactions, our knees weaken in their divine presence. It would be

Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: the pen-l fairness doctrine

2003-01-13 Thread joanna bujes
At 12:59 PM 01/13/2003 -0800, you wrote: Ha! I saw a bumper sticker the other day that read, Religion is what keeps the poor from killing the rich. Oh, I thought it was low self-esteem that did it. Joanna

Re: Re: Re: the pen-l fairness doctrine

2003-01-13 Thread Carrol Cox
Bill Lear wrote: Another truckload of crap. We have created princes and when they bestow us with a trickle of benefactions, our knees weaken in their divine presence. It would be more accurate to say God damn the rich. How much richer we would all be without them. In a footnote to

Re: Re: Re: the pen-l fairness doctrine

2003-01-13 Thread joanna bujes
At 02:45 PM 01/13/2003 -0600, you wrote: Rich people and their money seem to be a topic of constant criticism these days. I can only exclaim, Thank God for the rich. How much poorer we would all be without them! Well, you know, they get to the point where they realize that they can't take it

Re: Re: Re: the pen-l fairness doctrine

2003-01-13 Thread Ian Murray
- Original Message - From: Bill Lear [EMAIL PROTECTED] You do the emotionally hard and intellectually easy work of getting your ass in front of people and talking to them, educating them (I prefer the didactic mode to that of storyteller, incidentally). I'll bet Doug Henwood alone

Re: Re: Re: Re: the pen-l fairness doctrine

2003-01-13 Thread Michael Perelman
Ian is correct. If I can make a student turn left after a single class, the next instructor can probably undo what good I have done. Follow up is essential. Only after people become actively engaged is the good effect likely to take hold. On Mon, Jan 13, 2003 at 01:43:05PM -0800, Ian Murray

Re: Re: Re: Re: the pen-l fairness doctrine

2003-01-13 Thread Carrol Cox
Ian Murray wrote: - Original Message - The one speaker enlightening a passive audience is a horrible method for organizing. One need only think of all those citizens sitting in church pews to realize this. It's not the content alone, but the form of communicating that has

Re: Re: the pen-l fairness doctrine

2003-01-13 Thread Bill Lear
On Monday, January 13, 2003 at 13:43:05 (-0800) Ian Murray writes: - Original Message - From: Bill Lear [EMAIL PROTECTED] You do the emotionally hard and intellectually easy work of getting your ass in front of people and talking to them, educating them (I prefer the didactic mode to

Re: Re: Re: the pen-l fairness doctrine

2003-01-13 Thread Ian Murray
- Original Message - From: Bill Lear [EMAIL PROTECTED] I don't agree. I am working with a religious group of peace activists who have been amazed at the things I tell them about how our political process works and who are hungry for more information --- they even want me to write a

Re: Re: Re: the pen-l fairness doctrine

2003-01-13 Thread joanna bujes
At 04:15 PM 01/13/2003 -0600, you wrote: Pissed at whom? A) At a government that is merely handmaiden to those with real power? B) At a few corporate criminals who got caught with their hands in the cookie jar? C) Or at the entire structure of greed which ramrods injustice down their throats

Re: Re: Re: Re: the pen-l fairness doctrine

2003-01-13 Thread Carrol Cox
Ian Murray wrote: - Original Message - From: Bill Lear [EMAIL PROTECTED] I don't agree. I am working with a religious group of peace activists who have been amazed at the things I tell them about how our political process works and who are hungry for more information ---

Re: Re: Re: Re: the pen-l fairness doctrine

2003-01-13 Thread Carrol Cox
joanna bujes wrote: At 04:15 PM 01/13/2003 -0600, you wrote: Pissed at whom? A) At a government that is merely handmaiden to those with real power? B) At a few corporate criminals who got caught with their hands in the cookie jar? C) Or at the entire structure of greed which ramrods

Re: Re: the pen-l fairness doctrine

2003-01-13 Thread Ian Murray
- Original Message - From: Yoshie Furuhashi [EMAIL PROTECTED] For starters, avoid using such ungainly words as incentivize straight out of the book of CorporateSpeak. == I don't use that word anywhere other than this list and I was addressing an issue that was

Re: Re: Re: the pen-l fairness doctrine

2003-01-13 Thread Michael Perelman
come on you two. you know better than this. On Mon, Jan 13, 2003 at 05:44:38PM -0800, Ian Murray wrote: - Original Message - From: Yoshie Furuhashi [EMAIL PROTECTED] For starters, avoid using such ungainly words as incentivize straight out of the book of CorporateSpeak.

RE: Re: the pen-l fairness doctrine

2003-01-13 Thread Devine, James
Title: RE: [PEN-L:33811] Re: the pen-l fairness doctrine someone wrote: Ok, but how do we tell stories to incentivize the working class [each other] to understand that the current regime of wealth production is making life miserable for countless living beings on this planet,... Yoshie

Re: RE: Re: the pen-l fairness doctrine

2003-01-13 Thread Ian Murray
- Original Message - From: Devine, James [EMAIL PROTECTED] Yoshie writes: For starters, avoid using such ungainly words as incentivize straight out of the book of CorporateSpeak. right. In addition, I'm afraid the word incentive is inextricably bound with individualistic ideas of

Re: Re: the pen-l fairness doctrine

2003-01-13 Thread soula avramidis
Yoshie Furuhashi [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: - Original Message -From: "Devine, James" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Yoshie writes: For starters, avoid using such ungainly words as "incentivize" straight out of the book of CorporateSpeak. When ideas like those traded on the pen-l list reach the the