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From: "Carrol Cox" [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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Sent: Wednesday, June 28, 2000 2:09 AM
Subject: [PEN-L:20795] Re: Reply to Carrol Cox
Yes I agree the house is on fire. So what do we do?
stop discussing rock music, waterfalls and brand imagery.
Mark
Carrol Cox wrote:
you and Mark, so far as I can tell, have actually persuaded
just one person -- Me! You haven't had the tiniest effect on anyone else
as far as I can see. So what are you going to do with your one single
solitary convert -- you are going to swear at him for saying, let's see
Louis Proyect wrote:
In any case, until Marxism has debated out and resolved these questions, it
will not be able to maximize its influence on the intelligentsia. I want to
stress the importance, by the way, of who our target audience is. It is not
the working-class at this point. It is a
Doug wrote:
What
I'm not clear on is what exactly this socialist revolution would mean
for industrial and agricultural practice, energy sources, the
transformation of the built environment, living arrangements, etc.
This is exactly the issue. The point is not to be original, the point is to
[EMAIL PROTECTED] 06/28/00 02:06PM
Carrol Cox wrote:
You have a really fine political mind -- but you are almost
deliberately trashing it. Anyone who takes you and Mark
really seriously can only conclude that further political
theorizing or organizing is pointless. The world is over.
Forget
Carrol Cox wrote:
You have a really fine political mind -- but you are almost
deliberately trashing it. Anyone who takes you and Mark
really seriously can only conclude that further political
theorizing or organizing is pointless. The world is over.
Forget it. Let's go to the movies.
That's not
Yoshie Furuhashi wrote:
the Japanese working class rise up
make a socialist revolution (of some kind). ... The US...
The Japs would bomb NY with MIRV'ed Citizen watches and other precision
objects until the Yanks gave up, surely, which is more or less what's
happening anyway.
The question
Yoshie Furuhashi wrote:
Socialism will collapse in a few years, or else, in an even more
unlikely event of the Japanese victory, the battered socialist
government will have to build everything back up from scratch
amidst ruins, _who knows how_.
And this if America doesn't bomb Red Japan back
Think it won't happen?
It will. It is.
Mark Jones
http://www.egroups.com/group/CrashList
While I'm not against thinking about the future, I think it
inadvisable for socialists to portray an emergency in the future
tense. To paraphrase Walter Benjamin, "The tradition of the
oppressed teaches
Tolerated disagreement would have to be within narrow bounds. I went outside them in
academia, and was cast out. I am now a lawyer. My experience is that intellectuals do
not enjoy disagreement on fundamentals. Chomsky is right that they are herd animals.
--jks
Short of mass working-class
Louis Proyect wrote:
The problem today is that we have not carried out the kind of work that
Marx did in V. 3 for the ecological crisis of today. Within Marxism, there
are four schools of thought that are contending with each other:
This is the part of your post which provoked the "Pish"
Carrol:
This is the part of your post which provoked the "Pish" in my pen-l post. The
problem posed by the four alleged "schools of thought" is not theoretical but
practical, and your belief that any such theoretical work can be or needs to
be carried out is as silly as Doug's frequent demand for
Louis Proyect wrote:
THIS IS WRONG, CARROL. IT IS NOT "PRACTICAL". IT IS "THEORETICAL". LET ME
REPEAT IT WITH EMPHASIS: IT IS A THEORETICAL QUESTION. IT HAS TO DO WITH
Lou, I followed with great interest the debate you and Mark had with
Jim Heartfield some years ago and you convinced me
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