Re: Vietnamese countryside

2000-05-11 Thread Ricardo Duchesne
Trotsky was very smart. So why did Stalin outsmart him in the struggle for power?

Re: Re: Vietnamese countryside

2000-05-11 Thread Charles Brown
Jim Devine [EMAIL PROTECTED] 05/10/00 05:29PM I wrote: I don't think the issue of democracy should be separated from the class nature of the state. At least as I understand Marx, he believed that the proletariat would be a different kind of ruling class than previous ruling classes, that its

Re: Re: Re: Vietnamese countryside

2000-05-11 Thread Jim Devine
I wrote: BTW, a friend (an expert on Soviet agriculture and politics) who spent a year in the USSR in 1977 or so reported that Soviet academics were expected to quote from Lenin in all articles (including articles on soil chemistry). But they weren't supposed to quote from THE STATE AND

Re: Re: Re: Vietnamese countryside

2000-05-11 Thread Charles Brown
Jim Devine [EMAIL PROTECTED] 05/11/00 12:15PM I wrote: BTW, a friend (an expert on Soviet agriculture and politics) who spent a year in the USSR in 1977 or so reported that Soviet academics were expected to quote from Lenin in all articles (including articles on soil chemistry). But they

Re: Re: Vietnamese countryside

2000-05-10 Thread Louis Proyect
Jim Devine: I don't think the issue of democracy should be separated from the class nature of the state. At least as I understand Marx, he believed that the proletariat would be a different kind of ruling class than previous ruling classes, that its rule would have to be democratic. Yes,

Re: Re: Re: Vietnamese countryside (fwd)

2000-05-10 Thread md7148
Jim Devine wrote: I don't think the issue of democracy should be separated from the class nature of the state. At least as I understand Marx, he believed that the proletariat would be a different kind of ruling class than previous ruling classes, that its rule would have to be democratic.

Re: Vietnamese countryside

2000-05-10 Thread Jim Devine
At 06:16 PM 05/10/2000 -0400, you wrote: "A collapse of the Soviet regime would lead inevitably to the collapse of the planned economy, and thus to the abolition of state property. The bond of compulsion between the trusts and the factories within them would fall away. The more successful

Re: Re: Vietnamese countryside

2000-05-10 Thread Jim Devine
I wrote: I don't think the issue of democracy should be separated from the class nature of the state. At least as I understand Marx, he believed that the proletariat would be a different kind of ruling class than previous ruling classes, that its rule would have to be democratic. Charles Brown

Re: Re: Re: Re: Vietnamese countryside (fwd)

2000-05-10 Thread md7148
I did *not* misunderstand what you wrote. You just threw ideas without explaining them. that is why, your post is open to misinterpretation. I would like to see the quotes to know how Marx "anticipates" Stalinism...as a person partially trained in economic history, it seems to me a very

Re: Vietnamese countryside

2000-05-10 Thread Jim Devine
At 03:13 PM 5/10/00 -0400, you wrote: Jim Devine: And we should trust a Communist Party with a monopoly of political power? Louis, didn't you have some troubles a few years ago with the self-styled Leninists of the SWP? doesn't that suggest some lessons about giving power over to a minority?

Re: Re: Re: Re: Vietnamese countryside (fwd)

2000-05-10 Thread Jim Devine
... The argument that Marx anticipated Stalinism is completely a historical statement, made out of context, which pays attention to "ideas" rather than to circumstances of Stalin's Russia. Projecting Marx onto Stalin or vice versa is an idealist reading of history. Ideas should be judged vis

Re: Re: Re: Vietnamese countryside

2000-05-10 Thread Jim Devine
I wrote: I don't think the issue of democracy should be separated from the class nature of the state. At least as I understand Marx, he believed that the proletariat would be a different kind of ruling class than previous ruling classes, that its rule would have to be democratic. Louis