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> From: Michael Perelman <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> Date: 27 ÉÀÎÑ 2000 Ç. 22:47
> Subject: [PEN-L:20749] Re: Re: energy crises
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> >Nordhaus assumed that there would always be an available "backstop"
> >technolog
You have Yeltsin here? Cool.
Mark Jones
http://www.egroups.com/group/CrashList
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From: "GBK" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
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>Nordhaus assumed that there would always be an available "backstop"
>technology. I think that he had nukes in mind at the time.
>
>--
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>Michael Perelman
>Economics Department
>California State University
>[EMAIL PROTECTED]
>Chico, CA 95929
>530-898-5321
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Max Sawicky wrote:
> I just don't believe it. When fossil fuels become
> sufficiently expensive, massive efforts will go into
> developing alternatives. There will be a lot of money
> to be made, coordination problems aside. To me
> that's more likely than green consciousness leading
> to revo
Brad deLong wrote:
> Ummm
Brad, you may end being known as the man who put the 'um' in
'dumb'. Do you suppose Simon's bet with Ehrlich is safe ground for you
to stand on? You too, simply have no idea what the issue is.
Mark Jones
http://www.egroups.com/group/CrashList
Nordhaus knows more math than the freshman.
Eugene Coyle wrote:
> What's the difference between Nordhaus' theory and Freshman NC econ --
> "the market will solve the problem"?
>
> Gene Coyle
>
> Michael Perelman wrote:
>
> > Nordhaus assumed that there would always be an available "backstop"
> >
Just to be clear, I was not referring to the accumulated natural production
over millions of years (see below), but to the 'proven reserves' that are a
function of current technology and priceand world politics.
If Mark rejects the 'official' estimates of (rising) oil reserves I quoted,
ho
>Bill Burgess wrote:
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>> Sent: 28 June 2000 00:58
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>> Subject: [PEN-L:20785] Re: Re: energy crises
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>> I forget who Simon's bet was with (Paul Erlich?), but it is
>> undeniable that
>> better tec
> Max, I'm not sure it *would* take to shake your
sang-froid, the point I was
> making was the opposite, ie, despite fatuous assertions to
the contrary,
You're doing a good job.
This is all a scenario for political disaster, I might note.
By the time the shit hits the fan, it's too late to do
a
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> Sent: 27 June 2000 22:05
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> >It might take several million years
reveries and
general delirium.
Mark Jones
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> [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of Ellen Frank
> Sent: 27 June 2000 21:57
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Anyone who says
there is is simply deluded.
Mark Jones
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> [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of Jim Devine
> Sent: 27 June 2000 21:53
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> Jim Devine wrote:
> >what's wrong with the
> > Nordhaus theory? My main complaint is that the recovery from an energy
> > crisis might easily be extremely painful and tak
Bill Burgess wrote:
> Sent: 28 June 2000 00:58
> To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Subject: [PEN-L:20785] Re: Re: energy crises
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> I forget who Simon's bet was with (Paul Erlich?), but it is
> undeniable that
> better technology and higher relative prices can increas
I forget who Simon's bet was with (Paul Erlich?), but it is undeniable that
better technology and higher relative prices can increase reserves of
non-renewable resources faster than they are depleted through the
outragious rate of consumption in rich countries.
For example, according to a text
At 02:40 PM 6/27/00 -0700, you wrote:
>What's the difference between Nordhaus' theory and Freshman NC econ --
>"the market will solve the problem"?
it fits with freshman NC, though I think Nordhaus was being Schumpeterian
-- and was open to the idea of the gov't helping the market. But then
aga
What's the difference between Nordhaus' theory and Freshman NC econ --
"the market will solve the problem"?
Gene Coyle
Michael Perelman wrote:
> Nordhaus assumed that there would always be an available "backstop"
> technology. I think that he had nukes in mind at the time.
>
> --
>
> Michael P
>It might take several million years, and I'm not really joking. What are
the
>alternatives to fossil? (don't please mention PV's, wind, hydrogen etc,
>because they are not alternatives)
Can we do a Julian Simon-style bet? What's your timeframe, and what
exactly are you expecting? Of course, if
I haven't jumped into pen-le in a while, but this question spurs
me to point out that the problem with the Nordhaus theory is
that, right or wrong, it is irrelevant to the fundamental energy
problem facing us today, which is global warming, not
high fuel prices. And if there are no alternatives t
>Jim Devine wrote:
> >what's wrong with the
> > Nordhaus theory? My main complaint is that the recovery from an energy
> > crisis might easily be extremely painful and take a long time
>
>It might take several million years, and I'm not really joking. What are the
>alternatives to fossil? (don't
Jim Devine wrote:
>what's wrong with the
> Nordhaus theory? My main complaint is that the recovery from an energy
> crisis might easily be extremely painful and take a long time
It might take several million years, and I'm not really joking. What are the
alternatives to fossil? (don't please ment
Mark Jones wrote:
>Jim Devine wrote:
>>what's wrong with the
>> Nordhaus theory? My main complaint is that the recovery from an energy
>> crisis might easily be extremely painful and take a long time
>
>It might take several million years, and I'm not really joking. What are the
>alternatives t
>>> [EMAIL PROTECTED] 06/27/00 04:30PM >>>
Jim Devine wrote:
>what's wrong with the
> Nordhaus theory? My main complaint is that the recovery from an energy
> crisis might easily be extremely painful and take a long time
It might take several million years, and I'm not really joking. What are
Jim Devine wrote:
>what's wrong with the
> Nordhaus theory? My main complaint is that the recovery from an energy
> crisis might easily be extremely painful and take a long time
It might take several million years, and I'm not really joking. What are the
alternatives to fossil? (don't please me
At 11:42 AM 6/27/00 -0700, you wrote:
>Nordhaus assumed that there would always be an available "backstop"
>technology. I think that he had nukes in mind at the time.
yeah, he assumed that nuclear power was a good thing. This suggests that he
should have taken externalities into account.
Jim D
Nordhaus assumed that there would always be an available "backstop"
technology. I think that he had nukes in mind at the time.
--
Michael Perelman
Economics Department
California State University
[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Chico, CA 95929
530-898-5321
fax 530-898-5901
My old undergraduate economics advisor, William Nordhaus, presented a model
back in the early 1970s (when I knew him) in which the growth of the
economy encouraged high prices of the main resources used as energy
sources, which then induced the search for new supplies, for new energy
sources,
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