Re: Re: RE: Re: Re: quiet... too quiet

2003-03-20 Thread Ian Murray
- Original Message - From: Peter Dorman [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, March 19, 2003 9:25 AM Subject: [PEN-L:35760] Re: RE: Re: Re: quiet... too quiet The big obstacle to overcome on the left is, to put it very bluntly, nationalism

Re: Re: quiet... too quiet

2003-03-19 Thread Bill Lear
On Tuesday, March 18, 2003 at 19:34:07 (-0800) Devine, James writes: ... In any event, it's for the Iraqi people to overthrow their dictator. It's not _our_ job. It is our responsibility to help them in any way they see fit, if we helped put him there and supported him, is it not? Bill

RE: Re: Re: quiet... too quiet

2003-03-19 Thread Devine, James
Title: RE: [PEN-L:35742] Re: Re: quiet... too quiet We should help the Iraqi people as they see fit (within reason, of course). One thing that would help is regime change in the US. JD -Original Message- From: Bill Lear To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: 3/19/2003 4:32 AM Subject: [PEN-L

Re: quiet... too quiet

2003-03-19 Thread Yoshie Furuhashi
We should help the Iraqi people as they see fit (within reason, of course). One thing that would help is regime change in the US. JD We need help more badly than anyone else does, with a possible exception of Israelis. There is no nation whose left-wing ideas and institutions are in sorrier

Re: RE: Re: Re: quiet... too quiet

2003-03-19 Thread Peter Dorman
is regime change in the US. JD -Original Message- From: Bill Lear To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: 3/19/2003 4:32 AM Subject: [PEN-L:35742] Re: Re: quiet... too quiet On Tuesday, March 18, 2003 at 19:34:07 (-0800) Devine, James writes: ... In any event, it's for the Iraqi people to overthrow

Re: quiet... too quiet

2003-03-19 Thread Yoshie Furuhashi
At 9:25 AM -0800 3/19/03, Peter Dorman wrote: The big obstacle to overcome on the left is, to put it very bluntly, nationalism. No, sir, the big obstacle in the USA is lack of money and manpower at the disposal of leftists, as well as lack of a powerful challenge to US imperialism. For better

Re: quiet... too quiet

2003-03-18 Thread e. ahmet tonak
Organizing takes time. Devine, James wrote: pen-l is very quiet today. Is it because Fatherland Security Minister Tom Ridge has raised the alert level to burnt umber? Jim Devine [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://bellarmine.lmu.edu/~jdevine http://bellarmine.lmu.edu/%7Ejdevine Karl Marx, 1857,

Re: quiet... too quiet

2003-03-18 Thread Michael Perelman
I would add to Ahmet's remark that I am still in a state of shock, rage On Tue, Mar 18, 2003 at 03:39:29PM -0800, Devine, James wrote: pen-l is very quiet today. Is it because Fatherland Security Minister Tom Ridge has raised the alert level to burnt umber? Jim Devine [EMAIL PROTECTED]

Re: Re: quiet... too quiet

2003-03-18 Thread Bill Lear
On Tuesday, March 18, 2003 at 16:00:28 (-0800) Michael Perelman writes: I would add to Ahmet's remark that I am still in a state of shock, rage OK, you whining left-wing Libruls! What would you propose we do???! Question: how would lifting sanctions help the people of Iraq? Would it all be

Re: quiet... too quiet

2003-03-18 Thread Yoshie Furuhashi
On Tuesday, March 18, 2003 at 16:00:28 (-0800) Michael Perelman writes: I would add to Ahmet's remark that I am still in a state of shock, rage Encouraging words from Thomas L. Friedman: Our strongest ally for war in Iraq is Bulgaria - a country I've always had a soft spot for, because it

Re: Re: Re: quiet... too quiet

2003-03-18 Thread Ian Murray
- Original Message - From: Bill Lear [EMAIL PROTECTED] On Tuesday, March 18, 2003 at 16:00:28 (-0800) Michael Perelman writes: I would add to Ahmet's remark that I am still in a state of shock, rage OK, you whining left-wing Libruls! What would you propose we do???! Question:

Re: quiet... too quiet

2003-03-18 Thread Peter Dorman
I am quiet on this list because I am struggling to catch up with my work after two days of personal devastation following the news about Rachel Corrie. Everyone who was active about anything here in Olympia knew this woman and what she stood for. It is a terrible loss. Peter Devine, James

RE: Re: Re: quiet... too quiet

2003-03-18 Thread Devine, James
Title: RE: [PEN-L:35719] Re: Re: quiet... too quiet Bill writes: OK, you whining left-wing Libruls! What would you propose we do???! heck, no one asked me (perhaps partly because I ain't a Librul). The powerful folks -- the Bastards of Bush -- don't care what I think. I don't have any