Re: Said on US-Iraq

1998-02-12 Thread James Heartfield
In message , valis <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes >The period of imitation of the West, both in social norms and ideology, >is over and widely discredited, which is why Islam is resurgent. >This old-new cycle will have to play itself out first; if autarky becomes >a serious part of the Islamic agenda,

RE: Said on US-Iraq II

1998-02-12 Thread valis
john gulick muses: > >I think it is possible that opposition to intervention > >will come from the right as well as the left. > > Pat Buchanan was last seen on a Sunday windbag pundit show inveighing > against a U.S. missile strike, going so far as to claim that the evidence > wasn't clear that S

RE: Said on US-Iraq

1998-02-12 Thread john gulick
At 10:02 PM 2/11/98 -0500, Max Sawicky wrote: >I think it is possible that opposition to intervention >will come from the right as well as the left. > >MBS Pat Buchanan was last seen on a Sunday windbag pundit show inveighing against a U.S. missile strike, going so far as to claim that the evide

RE: Said on US-Iraq II

1998-02-12 Thread valis
Prophesy unto the highest heaven if you want, Max, but for me all bets are off. Too many imponderables. valis > I've got a hunch things could unfold, or unravel, differently > this time. The U.S. has set an objective criterion for m

Re: Said on US-Iraq

1998-02-12 Thread valis
Gar Lipow rebuts: > > As far as making a difference is concerned, a difference in blood, > > in treasure, but above all in freedom and mutual comprehension, > > Edward Said is too late; it was too late before he was born, too late > > a century ago and more. Islam and the West make a binary of ha

RE: Said on US-Iraq

1998-02-11 Thread Max B. Sawicky
Quoth Valis, channeling Prof. Said, Said ending "Apocalypse Now": > The saddest aspect of the whole thing is that Iraqi civilians seem > condemned to additional suffering and protracted agony. I've got a hunch things could unfold, or unravel, differently this time. The U.S. has set an object

Re: Said on US-Iraq

1998-02-11 Thread Gar W. Lipow
valis wrote: > It's hardly surprising that no one on the list feels up to addressing > the comments of Edward Said, nearly four hours after they arrived here. > The immediate subject and the larger world-historical constellation > to which it belongs can by now inspire only a weariness unto dea

Re: Said on US-Iraq

1998-02-11 Thread valis
It's hardly surprising that no one on the list feels up to addressing the comments of Edward Said, nearly four hours after they arrived here. The immediate subject and the larger world-historical constellation to which it belongs can by now inspire only a weariness unto death. Said has been saying

Said on US-Iraq

1998-02-11 Thread Thomas Kruse
> Apocalypse Now > > by Edward Said > > It would be a mistake, I think, to reduce what is happening between Iraq > and the United States simply to an assertion of Arab will and sovereignty > on the one hand versus American imperialism, which undoubtedly plays a > central role in all this. Howeve